Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[BunnyGo]

Oooh. Should we all post “if I’m the cop my scans are…” in the last 10 minutes of day?

I like the idea, but why wait until EOD?

If the cop had scans worth detailing the days conversation and hunting….they’d announce. Maybe.

This isn’t supposed to distract more than just agreeing to do it. It’s supposed to provide cover and clarity whenever the cop dies.

I guess if we limit things too much for scum that’s bad…

[BunnyGo]

##VOTE Balki

##vote Balki
##end

[BunnyGo]

Hamilton, DandW, and sweetandcool are looking more like town, so kingofthepirates and Balki are looking more likely to be mafia.

Bozo finally is here!!

[BunnyGo]

Hamilton, DandW, and sweetandcool are looking more like town, so kingofthepirates and Balki are looking more likely to be mafia.

How are we looking more Town?

Ham is widely scumread (although maybe Bunny's argument will change that), Dip is looking super scummy, and I don't know why I would look better for pushing so hard to flip LoW.

If the mafia thought damo could be the cop, it was probably because of Hamilton, I don't think DandW would risk pretending to think LoW was still in the game, and you are being more inconsistent than you probably would be as mafia.

This.

And I’d rather ##vote king ##end

[worcej]

Dargorygel has changed my name

Very good. What do you think of the game state?

The ham wagon is terrible. Vecna seems to know exactly what is going on, but rarely posts, which is a scumlean to me. Balki is actively engaging and being very levelheaded compared to the rest of this nonsense. Sweet continues to play very well. Bunny has been posting a lot but doesn't seem to be doing much, and requires further analysis.

Strong town:
Ham
Sweet

Weak town:
Jamiet
Balki

Weak scum:
Bozo
LordofWords
Vecna

Null:
Everyone else

The ham wagon doesn’t feel terrible if what I have read is true…

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE kingofthepirates

[sweetandcool]

How are we looking more Town?

Ham is widely scumread (although maybe Bunny's argument will change that), Dip is looking super scummy, and I don't know why I would look better for pushing so hard to flip LoW.

If the mafia thought damo could be the cop, it was probably because of Hamilton, I don't think DandW would risk pretending to think LoW was still in the game, and you are being more inconsistent than you probably would be as mafia.

This.

And I’d rather ##vote king ##end

Could you and Bozo make an actual case, are are you both purely relying on PoE?

Also also, you made that argument about Mafia thinking damo was Cop, but I must ask, why wouldn't they think I was cop? I'm pretty sure damo was following my lead. He even followed my votes around too.

Part of the reason why my votes flitted around, I wanted to see how much damo wanted to follow my lead.

[BunnyGo]

Very good. What do you think of the game state?

The ham wagon is terrible. Vecna seems to know exactly what is going on, but rarely posts, which is a scumlean to me. Balki is actively engaging and being very levelheaded compared to the rest of this nonsense. Sweet continues to play very well. Bunny has been posting a lot but doesn't seem to be doing much, and requires further analysis.

Strong town:
Ham
Sweet

Weak town:
Jamiet
Balki

Weak scum:
Bozo
LordofWords
Vecna

Null:
Everyone else

The ham wagon doesn’t feel terrible if what I have read is true…

Could you elaborate?

[sweetandcool]

Dargorygel has changed my name

Very good. What do you think of the game state?

The ham wagon is terrible. Vecna seems to know exactly what is going on, but rarely posts, which is a scumlean to me. Balki is actively engaging and being very levelheaded compared to the rest of this nonsense. Sweet continues to play very well. Bunny has been posting a lot but doesn't seem to be doing much, and requires further analysis.

Strong town:
Ham
Sweet

Weak town:
Jamiet
Balki

Weak scum:
Bozo
LordofWords
Vecna

Null:
Everyone else

"Sweet continues to play very well".

So you agree with my scumread of you?

Any explanation?

[BunnyGo]

If the mafia thought damo could be the cop, it was probably because of Hamilton, I don't think DandW would risk pretending to think LoW was still in the game, and you are being more inconsistent than you probably would be as mafia.

This.

And I’d rather ##vote king ##end

Could you and Bozo make an actual case, are are you both purely relying on PoE?

Also also, you made that argument about Mafia thinking damo was Cop, but I must ask, why wouldn't they think I was cop? I'm pretty sure damo was following my lead. He even followed my votes around too.

Part of the reason why my votes flitted around, I wanted to see how much damo wanted to follow my lead.

You were less loud about it. damo was in their face about him thinking Hamilton was town and that he didn't want people voting him.

read bozo's posts.

I'll add:

first vote was a hedge

In case sweet returns, this will change, but for now:

##vote sweet

unvote was wishy washy

right, caught back up, seems sweet is back, some weird things have been said about the contents of Jamie's hard drive (and search history...?), but no other major developments.

##UNVOTE

regarding what some have said about my posts being fluff, I don't really know tells still (one game is not a large enough sample size guys...), so I'm kinda just going off of vibes and random annoyances (for instance, sweet's refusal to elaborate was annoying, if mildly humorous). Please, enlighten me on what exactly I ought to be looking for, and why we're hammering the new comers?

It’s starting to get weird in here. Should we just hammer one of the new guys?

actual vote on Just was hedgy.

Most of Day 1 ISO looked like anchor posts. And had more strange interactions with Balki than just what bozo already posted:

Hi friends. I'm here. I don't have anything interesting to say other than that.

thoughts on sweet's vote on you? especially after the random number

(go look at page 4 for that interaction in full--including food making king nervous)

Like this shortly after:

whats the logic behind voting food then?

? I am not voting food…?
My logic for voting sweet is that the behavior very random, and non participation and the lack of explanation is plain annoying. If something else comes up, I’m perfectly happy changing my vote.

voted Will out of NOWHERE. He's a possible busser. There was enough time left and enough other wagons. He even shaded the Bona wagon with 6 minutes to go right AFTER ghug moved from Bona to damo putting Just in the lead. Looked like he was trying to talk people onto damo.





Then look at day 2. Hedgy vote on Sparta. Unvoted for some unknown reason.

Voted LoW for disappearing....then disappeared.

Buddied me when I pushed him on it...then disappeared again.

I'm good here ##end

[BunnyGo]

Oh....the bot works for Day 1 and Day 2 rereads/ISO/VCA.

[bozotheclown]

If the mafia thought damo could be the cop, it was probably because of Hamilton, I don't think DandW would risk pretending to think LoW was still in the game, and you are being more inconsistent than you probably would be as mafia.

This.

And I’d rather ##vote king ##end

Could you and Bozo make an actual case, are are you both purely relying on PoE?

Also also, you made that argument about Mafia thinking damo was Cop, but I must ask, why wouldn't they think I was cop? I'm pretty sure damo was following my lead. He even followed my votes around too.

Part of the reason why my votes flitted around, I wanted to see how much damo wanted to follow my lead.

I already pointed out that kingofthepirates could have been bussing D1 and pocketing D2.

damo was more adamant about not DKing Hamilton, and posted things like this:

Why there is/are scum on Ham

Do not read into the following whether or not I am Clerk which I can neither confirm nor deny.

Case 1 Ham is Clerk

No town has any info on an unCCd cop claimant (albeit retracted). Why vote him?

Case 2 Ham is VT and Clerk has already scanned him innocent

No town should be voting him.

Case 3 Ham is VT and Clerk has already scanned him guilty.

Clerk thinks 75% chance scum, 25% miller. The only situation warranting a Ham vote.

Rest of town should not be voting him.

Case 4 Ham is VT Clerk not yet scanned.

As per case 1.

Cases 5&6 as per 3&4 except Ham scum. Same outcome.

Theoretically there should be a maximum of one vote on Ham. I realise there may be misguided or lucky(astute?) town on Ham but I purport that

THERE ARE SCUM CURRENTLY VOTING HAM AND THIS APPLIES EVEN IF HE FLIPS SCUM.

Playing poker tonight so pretty unlikely to be online at EOD.

I also won't be posting or catching up much, if at all, during last 4 hours of the day.

DO NOT KILL Ham.

DO NOT tie.

To avoid either kill any of the Ham voters or Bozo, whoever looks most likely to be top wagon.

[sweetandcool]

Okay, we're just going to ignore me in all of that apparently.

I don't think Pirate is Mafia because I don't think Pirate would bus like that.

I think Pirate voting me at the beginning of D1 was authentic and NAI.

[BunnyGo]

During the night I actually used the GT to organize my thoughts, which I normally kind of do in thread. This is what I came up with:

Scum:

Vecna
LoW
Bozo
rdr

Scum Lean:

Ham

Null:

Bunny
worcej
Balki

Town lean:

Damo

Town:

Pirate
Bona
ghug (RIP)
Jamiet* (only because of the RB)
----------------------------------------------------------

I am very confident that Vecna is scum. Vecna knows when I am town and yet despite being town he thinks I am Mafia. Not a compelling case and yet an accurate one.

LoW and Bozo make sense as the last two, but it's a good explanation for Bozo's EoD.

rdr is a bit of a wild card and doesn't feel like he fits with the team.

Null players I have essentially not thought of the entire game.

Like this post @sweet?

Yeah...really obviously townreading Ham D3....all the way...

[Spartaculous]

What was damo’s very very strong advocacy D3?

I don't know. Maybe I should. But I don't. What was it? Did it have to do with Hamilton?

Yes. He begged. Begged us to not vote HamBone. That he trusted Ham’s VT-ness.


Why would that be? Well…I stopped voting Ham because I thought damo was cop and had scanned HamB N2 and got a clear.

Scum killing damo means they suspected that too. Which means HamB isn’t scum.

This then goes along with me being the RB, as I was another big Ham defender.

[Spartaculous]

In addition to my rejection of this plan as a matter of principle, I can't help but think there is something desperately wrong with it.

I wonder why it's not standard practice to follow this plan in all other vanilla games? Or is it standard practice and I am ignorant?

Is Bunny just suggesting Clerk claim?

I violently want to Scum and Town Bunny over all of this.

It has been done before, with mixed success. The idea is to know the cop's scans if they are NKed without them having to claim.

Oh okay, then we should definitely not do the plan.

I have already figured out who the true cop is and noticed their scan crumbs. I'd rather not force them to be "obvious".

How easily findable do you think these crumbs are?

[Spartaculous]

Some thoughts before I call it a night. There is a lot to think over.

- Has BunnyGo claimed clerk yet or not? I got confused.

- Okay, here is something that is bugging me a bit. Ham's CLERK crumbs on Day 1 are very clear if you are looking for them. So, why wasn't he the target on night 1?

1) Mafia either weren't looking for crumbs, or didn't find them.

2) Mafia saw the crumbs and chose to ignore them (thinking them to be fake).

3) Ham is Mafia.

Can some more experienced players chime in: if you were Mafia, would you have looked for and found Ham's crumbs during N1?

- The two players who were most forcefully arguing to not kill Ham (well, I guess sweetandcool should be included here as well) were the NK and the RB target.

- In case anyone is curious (this is, of course, unofficial), here are the votes so far today in order:

wor: Ham*
Bun: Spa*
swe: Ham
swe: Dip
Bal: Boz
Bun: swe
Jam: Boz
boz: Bal
Bun: Bal*
Bun: kin*
boz: kin

[BunnyGo]

I don't know. Maybe I should. But I don't. What was it? Did it have to do with Hamilton?

Yes. He begged. Begged us to not vote HamBone. That he trusted Ham’s VT-ness.


Why would that be? Well…I stopped voting Ham because I thought damo was cop and had scanned HamB N2 and got a clear.

Scum killing damo means they suspected that too. Which means HamB isn’t scum.

This then goes along with me being the RB, as I was another big Ham defender.

[BunnyGo]

It has been done before, with mixed success. The idea is to know the cop's scans if they are NKed without them having to claim.

Oh okay, then we should definitely not do the plan.

I have already figured out who the true cop is and noticed their scan crumbs. I'd rather not force them to be "obvious".

How easily findable do you think these crumbs are?

can we please vote Sparta?

Who is thinking the team was Just-Sparta-Balki-KoP?

[BunnyGo]

Oh okay, then we should definitely not do the plan.

I have already figured out who the true cop is and noticed their scan crumbs. I'd rather not force them to be "obvious".

How easily findable do you think these crumbs are?

can we please vote Sparta?

Who is thinking the team was Just-Sparta-Balki-KoP?

Actually...that's quite good with VCA day 1. Sparta and Balki on the damo wagon, Just pushing Bona, and KoP negging on Bona trying to give Just a reason to jump to damo while voting Just.