Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[sweetandcool]

Where did worcej and Vecna go? They just disappeared.

[sweetandcool]

You know, I regret getting provoked by Bozo.

##VOTE Lord

I think if we flip Lord and he is Mafia, that is further evidence of Bozo being his teammate.

If we flip Bozo and he is Mafia, it's a little weaker.

Also, LoW is never going to help lead us back to his teammates since getting him to express opinions (other than suspecting me) is like pulling teeth.

At least Bozo is actively leaving a trail we can follow.

That all being said, the priority is to consolidate so we don't have a repeat of yesterday. Consequently I am happy to switch back to Bozo.

[Lord of Words]

You know, I regret getting provoked by Bozo.

##VOTE Lord

I think if we flip Lord and he is Mafia, that is further evidence of Bozo being his teammate.

If we flip Bozo and he is Mafia, it's a little weaker.

Also, LoW is never going to help lead us back to his teammates since getting him to express opinions (other than suspecting me) is like pulling teeth.

At least Bozo is actively leaving a trail we can follow.

That all being said, the priority is to consolidate so we don't have a repeat of yesterday. Consequently I am happy to switch back to Bozo.

Late post.

Part of why I'm not sold on you being Town, beside you pursuing easy wagons, is that you're casually switching whichever way the wind blows without trying to solve.

[Lord of Words]

Now seem like a good time to also ask a few question regarding Ham:

1.Why is he alive given his cop claim the last day?

2. Why are relying on a clerk to scan to him when, to my eye, we don't even know who the clerk and clearing him exposes the clerk?

3. Besides the crumbs, which are not really proof of him being a cop or town, what real proof have we seen from Ham?

1 and 3 have already been sufficiently and efficiently answered.

Wrt 2 how many days do you expect the Clerk to risk not revealing and becoming a NK and town learning nothing from the valuable scans (absence of GF means town implies town)?

I think Day 4 not unreasonable so clerk assuming they survive until tomorrow can tell us (including the unlikely case of Ham himself).

Yes, clerk has to reveal themselves to do this but they have to at some stage else they become essentially a dead vt (barring any strong reads they've left but it's not so concrete).

You saying they've been effectively answered doesn't make it so.

But answer why you shot Foodcoats.

[Lord of Words]

I could maybe flip Bozo.

Strongly prefer LoW or Vecna, but I could see Bozo being the third teammate. Would increase the chances LoW is Mafia if Bozo flips Mafia.

My preferences today at LoW, Bozo, Damo, or Hamilton.

Ah, then why don't we consolidate on LoW? That would make damo and I happy.

##VOTE LordWord

I'm also pointing out this scummy post for the class. How does Sweet know would make Damo happy so well?

[BunnyGo]

A blatant day one crumb.

Didn't Hamilton retract his cop claim, though?

yes but the day one crumb is undeniable so either

a) Ham is CLERK in which case he should reveal his scans before he gets NKd N3

b) Ham is VT and prepared this to eat a NK if a) scum spotted it b) he was in danger and could point to it

c) Ham is scum and craftily prepared this to avoid an early DK and sniff out the real clerk.

I dismiss a) and think b) closer to Ham mo and charcter than c).

c) is a bit high risk.

Conclusion Ham is VT.

Why was HamB not roleblocked?

This is I think the question that breaks open the scumteam.

Case 1: HamB is scum.

In this case, his partners know about his crumbs. They know he's able to try and sell hil claim OR claim to be a VT baiting the scum team.

Obviously he can't succeed with being the NK, but why not RB him? bozo would see that, so bozo-Ham not a team.

Case 2: HamB is town.

In this case, the scum team doesn't know for sure if he's the cop or not. They DO seem to not believe him because they killed ghug. But they sat on their roleblock. They sat on their roleblock AND didn't bother claiming one of them was the target.

This is a LOT of information after N1 with ghug RB'd (we can 100% trust that now) AND Jamie claiming RB (because it's either a fake claim, so the scum team knows they can fake, or a real claim so we know they will use it).

The scum team is SO CONFIDENT that HamB is lying about being the cop that they are willing to let him get another scan off. When just RBing him would in no way at all clear him to the town. While at worst for scum it would be clearing him (and me).

Conclusion: I think I'm wrong about bozo.

But HamB is almost surely scum, and I'm really starting to worry about damo, and D&W.

[BunnyGo]

##vote HamBone

[BunnyGo]

Now seem like a good time to also ask a few question regarding Ham:

1.Why is he alive given his cop claim the last day?

2. Why are relying on a clerk to scan to him when, to my eye, we don't even know who the clerk and clearing him exposes the clerk?

3. Besides the crumbs, which are not really proof of him being a cop or town, what real proof have we seen from Ham?

1 and 3 have already been sufficiently and efficiently answered.

Wrt 2 how many days do you expect the Clerk to risk not revealing and becoming a NK and town learning nothing from the valuable scans (absence of GF means town implies town)?

I think Day 4 not unreasonable so clerk assuming they survive until tomorrow can tell us (including the unlikely case of Ham himself).

Yes, clerk has to reveal themselves to do this but they have to at some stage else they become essentially a dead vt (barring any strong reads they've left but it's not so concrete).

Why was HamB not RBd?

[BunnyGo]

Some post-D1 and N1 comments:

1) I know I'll catch some flack wrt my damo vote. Rightly so, especially given Will flipped mafia. Re: bozo's suggestion of voting no-kill, I thought that was frowned on. Would that be a suitable option?

2) Sweet, what do you mean "naked" vote? I was in my underwear when I voted; doesn't that count as close?

Thoughts on voting Will.
Sweet did it first when it was 3/3/2/2 Bon/Sweet/Spart/Damo
(is Sweet mafia doing some bussing of a teammate when it's not dangerous to do so?)

Bona follows Sweet a little later.

Rivera's first vote in the game is Will tying the top wagons at 3 votes.
(How does this somewhat clear Rivera?)

Kin puts Will in the lead with 4.

Bunny solidifies it with the 5th vote but then goes to Worcej then back to Will. Worcej applies the 6th vote.
(Is the Bunny move one of öh damn, my teammate is going to bite it" or is it just random town flailing?

Why did ghug feel the need to leave a non-competitive wagon to get the 7th and final vote on Will?

Why was Foodcoats so sure that Will was öbvtown"?

Why was Bona so solidly certain that Will was mafia?

Was Worcej running a bussing gambit with the "Will 100% over.." comment?

THen a quick review of Will's day:

Does Will cover for a new teammate in Spart, or is that comment to give the impression of buddying?

Will states Jamie is town, and that they were their strongest town read. Does this give cover to Jamie if Will thinks they've got some longevity in this game so as teammates they can cruise through? That Will is confirmed mafia, how does that comment age?

Will asserts bozo/bona are the scumteam. Mafia will lie, but also tell the truth. How does this comment age?

Some distancing from Worcej from what I read and some shading of Vecna. Does this cast a dark light on Worcej and help Vecna look a little cleaner?

Will's reads list...how many mafia would actually be in his mafia spots?

Edit: wrote this before EON. Now seeing that Brain died. Bummer.

There is 0 chance he's cop...why is he shading me at all here if he is? Why write the whole thing before EON and not edit it at all to not shade his townclear?

[BunnyGo]

If Ham and LoW are both town we are in trouble.

@damo why did you vote bozo and not Lord?

[BunnyGo]

Cop eh dayum as they say in Boston Canada.

My scum are Vecna, Damo, and I’m coming around on LoW

I’m good with a Vecna death and it’s not omgus

Why make this post "crumb"?

Was HamB so frustrated getting scum he planned to at least draw out a CC?

[BunnyGo]

##vote Hamilton.

It’s him and bozo. Will not vote outside those two. Pick one.

Et tu, Bunny?

Hurts. Really hurts.

Why did you not vote worcej today? You were trying hard to get him yesterday and then he caused a tie...why let that Bone go?

[damo666]

Now seem like a good time to also ask a few question regarding Ham:

1.Why is he alive given his cop claim the last day?

2. Why are relying on a clerk to scan to him when, to my eye, we don't even know who the clerk and clearing him exposes the clerk?

3. Besides the crumbs, which are not really proof of him being a cop or town, what real proof have we seen from Ham?

1 and 3 have already been sufficiently and efficiently answered.

Wrt 2 how many days do you expect the Clerk to risk not revealing and becoming a NK and town learning nothing from the valuable scans (absence of GF means town implies town)?

I think Day 4 not unreasonable so clerk assuming they survive until tomorrow can tell us (including the unlikely case of Ham himself).

Yes, clerk has to reveal themselves to do this but they have to at some stage else they become essentially a dead vt (barring any strong reads they've left but it's not so concrete).

Why was HamB not RBd?

Perhaps he was and didn't claim it (doubtful).

Somebody else living was and hasn't claimed (doubtful).

They RBd ghug (pointless presumably not).

They held it to sow confusion.

If Ham is scum why didn't he claim scum?

Ham is scum and there is a plan to bus him to gain towncred.

Perhaps the scumteam is Ham LoW worcej.

[damo666]

Cop eh dayum as they say in Boston Canada.

My scum are Vecna, Damo, and I’m coming around on LoW

I’m good with a Vecna death and it’s not omgus

Why make this post "crumb"?

Was HamB so frustrated getting scum he planned to at least draw out a CC?

This was late and DENIES being cop. How is it trying to draw a CC?

[damo666]

Why there is/are scum on Ham

Do not read into the following whether or not I am Clerk which I can neither confirm nor deny.

Case 1 Ham is Clerk

No town has any info on an unCCd cop claimant (albeit retracted). Why vote him?

Case 2 Ham is VT and Clerk has already scanned him innocent

No town should be voting him.

Case 3 Ham is VT and Clerk has already scanned him guilty.

Clerk thinks 75% chance scum, 25% miller. The only situation warranting a Ham vote.

Rest of town should not be voting him.

Case 4 Ham is VT Clerk not yet scanned.

As per case 1.

Cases 5&6 as per 3&4 except Ham scum. Same outcome.

Theoretically there should be a maximum of one vote on Ham. I realise there may be misguided or lucky(astute?) town on Ham but I purport that

THERE ARE SCUM CURRENTLY VOTING HAM AND THIS APPLIES EVEN IF HE FLIPS SCUM.

[damo666]

Now seem like a good time to also ask a few question regarding Ham:

1.Why is he alive given his cop claim the last day?

2. Why are relying on a clerk to scan to him when, to my eye, we don't even know who the clerk and clearing him exposes the clerk?

3. Besides the crumbs, which are not really proof of him being a cop or town, what real proof have we seen from Ham?

1 and 3 have already been sufficiently and efficiently answered.

Wrt 2 how many days do you expect the Clerk to risk not revealing and becoming a NK and town learning nothing from the valuable scans (absence of GF means town implies town)?

I think Day 4 not unreasonable so clerk assuming they survive until tomorrow can tell us (including the unlikely case of Ham himself).

Yes, clerk has to reveal themselves to do this but they have to at some stage else they become essentially a dead vt (barring any strong reads they've left but it's not so concrete).

You saying they've been effectively answered doesn't make it so.

But answer why you shot Foodcoats.

Because I thought he was scum. Why do you think?

[damo666]

If Ham and LoW are both town we are in trouble.

@damo why did you vote bozo and not Lord?

I'll get back to this. I need to look at when your referring to. On phone at mo and too difficult.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE Jamie

Now you are deliberately trolling me.

[Jamiet99uk]

he literally didn't push me on anything except for how i feel about 'it'

it's all image

Exactly one of you is town.

I think it's him.

It does not seem likely now, but I would not rule it out yet.

Alright.

You think that.

I would rule it out. Bona is town.

I think Jamie saying "exactly one" of Bonatogether and Just is town was suspicious. I thought at the time it could be T vs. T, and I don't see why Jamie dismissed that as a possibility, as well as dismissing S vs. S as a possibility.

I am amazed you are continuing to entertain the notion that it was all scum theatre.

If you are right about that, I will eat a shoe.

[Jamiet99uk]

If Ham is scum why didn't he claim scum?

Ham is scum and there is a plan to bus him to gain towncred.

If there was a plan to gain towncred by bussing him, having him claim scum would remove a lot of that towncred. Scum voting an outed team-mate whose death is inevitable don't score townpoints for doing so.