Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[Hamilton Brian]

Ham - I have a question for you. When you post here, do you tend to do so more from a smartphone or from a computer?

I’d say 50-50. Just depends where I am. Like right now cleaning out my garage, iPhone. Why do you ask?

I'm sorry for the nosiness, but I'm not sure if I want to say why yet. I promise I have a game-relevant reason for the question.

Let me just ask a follow-up question: when you post one of your handful of longest posts, would those have been done on a computer or smartphone?

Computer for sure; couldn’t do that on a phobe

[kingofthepirates]

I’d say 50-50. Just depends where I am. Like right now cleaning out my garage, iPhone. Why do you ask?

I'm sorry for the nosiness, but I'm not sure if I want to say why yet. I promise I have a game-relevant reason for the question.

Let me just ask a follow-up question: when you post one of your handful of longest posts, would those have been done on a computer or smartphone?

Computer for sure; couldn’t do that on a phobe

ruh roh, I don't like this, feels a bit like trying to sniff out inconsistencies or faults using irl factors (typing on computer vs phone). imo, not a reliable thing to rely on as evidence. Sparta, where is this going?

[Spartaculous]

I’d say 50-50. Just depends where I am. Like right now cleaning out my garage, iPhone. Why do you ask?

I'm sorry for the nosiness, but I'm not sure if I want to say why yet. I promise I have a game-relevant reason for the question.

Let me just ask a follow-up question: when you post one of your handful of longest posts, would those have been done on a computer or smartphone?

Computer for sure; couldn’t do that on a phobe

Great; thanks for hümoring me with a silly question or two.

[kingofthepirates]

I will gladiate you if I need to, you little shit.

unrelated to this game, but what does gladiate mean? looks like a fun word, but I couldn't find any context where it is used as verb...

[bozotheclown]

Didn't Hamilton retract his cop claim, though?

yes but the day one crumb is undeniable so either

a) Ham is CLERK in which case he should reveal his scans before he gets NKd N3

b) Ham is VT and prepared this to eat a NK if a) scum spotted it b) he was in danger and could point to it

c) Ham is scum and craftily prepared this to avoid an early DK and sniff out the real clerk.

I dismiss a) and think b) closer to Ham mo and charcter than c).

c) is a bit high risk.

Conclusion Ham is VT.

Furthermore, if Ham is Town, which I now believe, then not DKing him is brilliant. Then Mafia either run the risk that Ham is really the Clerk, or they "waste" the NK on him, when they would really rather that we do there work for them.

Hamilton clearly implied he was the cop to avoid the D2 DK. He did not claim he was RBed, so if he is not mafia, the mafia have no concern he is the cop. Unless Hamilton hard claims cop, he should be DKed D3.

PR crumbs are typically from PRs, or mafia setting up fake PR claims.

[Spartaculous]

I'm sorry for the nosiness, but I'm not sure if I want to say why yet. I promise I have a game-relevant reason for the question.

Let me just ask a follow-up question: when you post one of your handful of longest posts, would those have been done on a computer or smartphone?

Computer for sure; couldn’t do that on a phobe

ruh roh, I don't like this, feels a bit like trying to sniff out inconsistencies or faults using irl factors (typing on computer vs phone). imo, not a reliable thing to rely on as evidence. Sparta, where is this going?

I don't feel comfortable saying more right now, other than I currently oppose voting for Ham given the situation at hand.

[damo666]

I will gladiate you if I need to, you little shit.

unrelated to this game, but what does gladiate mean? looks like a fun word, but I couldn't find any context where it is used as verb...

gladiator is a role in mafia where you can challenge someone and the vote is between those 2 only

[bozotheclown]

yes but the day one crumb is undeniable so either

a) Ham is CLERK in which case he should reveal his scans before he gets NKd N3

b) Ham is VT and prepared this to eat a NK if a) scum spotted it b) he was in danger and could point to it

c) Ham is scum and craftily prepared this to avoid an early DK and sniff out the real clerk.

I dismiss a) and think b) closer to Ham mo and charcter than c).

c) is a bit high risk.

Conclusion Ham is VT.

Him soft claiming cop to avoid the D2 DK looks a lot more scum motivated, though.

Can we just agree Ham is off the table for today?

No, I do not agree with that.

[damo666]

I'm sorry for the nosiness, but I'm not sure if I want to say why yet. I promise I have a game-relevant reason for the question.

Let me just ask a follow-up question: when you post one of your handful of longest posts, would those have been done on a computer or smartphone?

Computer for sure; couldn’t do that on a phobe

Great; thanks for hümoring me with a silly question or two.

Explain

[kingofthepirates]

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I don't feel comfortable saying more right now, other than I currently oppose voting for Ham given the situation at hand.

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

[kingofthepirates]

gladiator is a role in mafia where you can challenge someone and the vote is between those 2 only

oh, fun, thanks damo.

Jamie, it was a joke, a simple jest, an elementary quip, a straightforward gag, a pleasantry, a shaggy-dog story, an old chestnut, a-

ok I'll end this wisecrack (HA! another one! betcha didn't expect that!), I'm not hunting for more synonyms for 'joke'...

[bozotheclown]

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I don't feel comfortable saying more right now, other than I currently oppose voting for Ham given the situation at hand.

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

Hamilton implied he was cop to avoid being the D2 DK, and is now saying he is not the cop but was trying to draw the NK. Mafia claiming a PR to avoid a DK when they are confident the DK will be diverted to a town is a common mafia play.

[damo666]

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I don't feel comfortable saying more right now, other than I currently oppose voting for Ham given the situation at hand.

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

he crumbed CLERK day 1

he strongly hinted at it under pressure EOD2

he now says he is vt and was trying to eat a NK (thus explaining why he couldn't reveal any scans and avoided ghug's and my call for them)

[damo666]

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I don't feel comfortable saying more right now, other than I currently oppose voting for Ham given the situation at hand.

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

Hamilton implied he was cop to avoid being the D2 DK, and is now saying he is not the cop but was trying to draw the NK. Mafia claiming a PR to avoid a DK when they are confident the DK will be diverted to a town is a common mafia play.

This summary omits the all important D1 crumb. Why bozo? Inconvenient?

[kingofthepirates]

he now says he is vt and was trying to eat a NK (thus explaining why he couldn't reveal any scans and avoided ghug's and my call for them)

Ok, gotcha, thanks damo and bozo for explaining. honestly this last one makes me slightly sus ham a bit more than before, given ghug was killed. Perhaps mafia was trying to take some pressure off of ham?

[sweetandcool]

yes but the day one crumb is undeniable so either

a) Ham is CLERK in which case he should reveal his scans before he gets NKd N3

b) Ham is VT and prepared this to eat a NK if a) scum spotted it b) he was in danger and could point to it

c) Ham is scum and craftily prepared this to avoid an early DK and sniff out the real clerk.

I dismiss a) and think b) closer to Ham mo and charcter than c).

c) is a bit high risk.

Conclusion Ham is VT.

Furthermore, if Ham is Town, which I now believe, then not DKing him is brilliant. Then Mafia either run the risk that Ham is really the Clerk, or they "waste" the NK on him, when they would really rather that we do there work for them.

Hamilton clearly implied he was the cop to avoid the D2 DK. He did not claim he was RBed, so if he is not mafia, the mafia have no concern he is the cop. Unless Hamilton hard claims cop, he should be DKed D3.

PR crumbs are typically from PRs, or mafia setting up fake PR claims.

Great, let Mafia leave our Clerk alive. Voting Ham is clearly anti-town.

[kingofthepirates]

he now says he is vt and was trying to eat a NK (thus explaining why he couldn't reveal any scans and avoided ghug's and my call for them)

Ok, gotcha, thanks damo and bozo for explaining. honestly this last one makes me slightly sus ham a bit more than before, given ghug was killed. Perhaps mafia was trying to take some pressure off of ham?

For the record, I still don't want vote for ham, but this is certainly a possibility to consider. it gives more reasoning to the ghug kill, for example.

[sweetandcool]

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I don't feel comfortable saying more right now, other than I currently oppose voting for Ham given the situation at hand.

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

Timeline:

Ham crumbs that he is a Clerk on D1. Presumably it wasn't noticed by anybody, but damo found it since Ham told us about it and it clearly spells out "CLERK".

End of day 2 Ham hamfistedly soft claims Clerk in the most unbelievable way possible.

Unsurprisingly, Mafia didn't believe his claim and NK ghug.

Now Ham has renounced his claim, saying he setup the claim D1 as a way to eat the NK at some point.
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Now what we should do about this is quite obvious:

Case 1: Ham is Town, possibly actually a great actor and actually the Clerk (I believe this).

Then we should not DK him. Force Mafia to either NK him, focus their role blocks on him, or even ignore him, which would be awesome if he is actually the Clerk.

Case 2: Ham is Mafia.

If we incorrectly do the best play, assuming Case 1, then worst case our Clerk will catch him. Though it is likely we would eventually catch him. Certainly he wouldn't be allowed to make it to final 3.

TLDR Ham should not be up for the vote today.

[damo666]

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I don't feel comfortable saying more right now, other than I currently oppose voting for Ham given the situation at hand.

alright, that's fair. though I hope for an explanation later down the line.

I also don't want to vote ham right now, at least until someone explains to me what ham is claiming, I'm super confused as to the state of that discussion.

Timeline:

Ham crumbs that he is a Clerk on D1. Presumably it wasn't noticed by anybody, but damo found it since Ham told us about it and it clearly spells out "CLERK".

End of day 2 Ham hamfistedly soft claims Clerk in the most unbelievable way possible.

Unsurprisingly, Mafia didn't believe his claim and NK ghug.

Now Ham has renounced his claim, saying he setup the claim D1 as a way to eat the NK at some point.
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Now what we should do about this is quite obvious:

Case 1: Ham is Town, possibly actually a great actor and actually the Clerk (I believe this).

Then we should not DK him. Force Mafia to either NK him, focus their role blocks on him, or even ignore him, which would be awesome if he is actually the Clerk.

Case 2: Ham is Mafia.

If we incorrectly do the best play, assuming Case 1, then worst case our Clerk will catch him. Though it is likely we would eventually catch him. Certainly he wouldn't be allowed to make it to final 3.

TLDR Ham should not be up for the vote today.

Agreed.

Jamie and worcej should be suspect for endvoting Ham but I suspect it's naivety and they will move off.

I shall join you on

##vote Vecna

[Hamilton Brian]

Holy mother of all that is unholy!!! Are Jamie and bozo being intentionally obtuse as mafia or really confounded by what's happened.

Mafiareading you both now for just this shit.

If there is real CLERK out there that isn't me, don't CC. Don't talk about it anymore, and don't talk scans.

Go back to EOD on both days.