Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

Depends on who killed Vecna, I think?

Can only be Judge Death or MMA DrF I think. Vecna was VC so cannot be Judge Fear.

Why can’t ND have been killed by visiting Judge Fear!?

Because Chaqa claimed a failed save attempt

[Chaqa]

Can only be Judge Death or MMA DrF I think. Vecna was VC so cannot be Judge Fear.

Why can’t ND have been killed by visiting Judge Fear!?

such a strange thing to be focused on. like who gives a shit right now

It's a really good question if he is actually another Doctor.

[kingofthepirates]

I don't believe so

Why don’t you believe so?

If he had been visiting Judge Fear, he wouldn't have died unless I were roleblocked. Which I was not.

Wait, wasn’t ND macho cop? The role that can’t be protected?

[brainbomb]

Why don’t you believe so?

If he had been visiting Judge Fear, he wouldn't have died unless I were roleblocked. Which I was not.

Wait, wasn’t ND macho cop? The role that can’t be protected?

Also a good point, but it was a generic role and nobody wouldve known that, not even ND

[DemonRHK]

So, demon is coming out and claiming vanilla cop, huh. I assure you, I am the actual vanilla cop, demon is lying. I urge that demon gets voted out, and once he flips scum, that’ll be great. If demon doesn’t flip vanilla cop, you can vote me out next day phase, if I’m still alive. Or, if you want to seal the game for scum, you could vote me out, then try to vote out demon, but that isn’t going to work given how scum probably has night kills. Whatever the case demon is certainly scum. ##vote demon

The ol 'flip him first' 1 for 1.

Bump that. I still say we eject Fid today. But I'm biased becaise I know king's fakeclaiming. I understand others wanting the info so if we have to do the dance so be it.

[damo666]

Why don’t you believe so?

If he had been visiting Judge Fear, he wouldn't have died unless I were roleblocked. Which I was not.

Wait, wasn’t ND macho cop? The role that can’t be protected?

Aha good spot.

[DemonRHK]

If he had been visiting Judge Fear, he wouldn't have died unless I were roleblocked. Which I was not.

Wait, wasn’t ND macho cop? The role that can’t be protected?

Also a good point, but it was a generic role and nobody wouldve known that, not even ND

Exactly. It ain't rocket science. Fid is Fear.

[Chaqa]

Can only be Judge Death or MMA DrF I think. Vecna was VC so cannot be Judge Fear.

Why can’t ND have been killed by visiting Judge Fear!?

Because Chaqa claimed a failed save attempt

So there is some nuance here that has not come up before, but I do not receive any messages. I assume it was Judge Death because a doc save could prevent a Judge Fear death

[Chaqa]

Why don’t you believe so?

If he had been visiting Judge Fear, he wouldn't have died unless I were roleblocked. Which I was not.

Wait, wasn’t ND macho cop? The role that can’t be protected?

Huh, TIL. I had not really read through all the different cop permutations. So I guess he could have been killed by visiting Judge Fear after all

[brainbomb]

a part of me is just gonna be so sad if pirate really is vanilla cop. the game would be soooo much more interesting if demon is real

[damo666]

I won’t have time to post again this phase so here are my thoughts. If I die then I die. Good luck.

-Kotp: No idea. This could be a mechanical thing. It could also be maia obfuscation which my reveal interrupted. Maybe someone who wants to bait visits at night. But, I just don’t know.

Dip&War. Glad he got hammered. GG.

-Ghug/Will/DrF.
DrF. -I caught a scum tell with his vote on me earlier in the game.
Will. -It’s always suspicious when people talk about shielding or avoiding scrutiny of new players; especially serious advocacy for it.
Ghug. -Out of this group most likely to be playing with interests not aligned with town. I caught an instance of him hedging D2.

-Balki/Brain
-Brain. It’s always hard to say. Brain is a good player. I can’t offer a substantial read on him at this time.
-Balki. More problematic. His focus on mechanics, plans, and stuff like that is an easy way for scum to hide. A discussion like that allows people to have the appearance of adding to the game without actually adding to the game. He would be a scum lean for me.

-Snowy/Kak
-Kak/Snowy. I saw a comment from snowy about how I was being ‘mean’ to Kak. I completely disagree and again we see a player falling back on ‘feelings’ as a crutch. It’s not being mean to throw a punch in a game such as forum mafia. Each game is its own thing and the game revolves around statements, evidence, facts. When a player doesn’t draw on the body of evidence and instead uses the low post count of a player or how they ‘feel’ then that is problematic. Why? Because the scum have nothing of value to say and they look for crutches like this to blend in or they try to mimic or vote with the tide (like what DrF did during d1). They don’t produce value. When I point out that Kak doesn’t produce anything of value that is not being mean. That is being factual. Talking about removing someone because they don’t post more on D1 or because of something they said and how that makes you feel isn’t forum mafia. IDK what it is. It’s not mean to criticize someone playing in this way because it means they are either really bad or mafia. I actually don’t think Kak is mafia though just based on his reaction to my claim. He was shocked that his theory didn’t hold water and wanted to do anything to make it work. Anyway, I don’t want to poke too much but it’s more of a bad player than a scum tell if that makes sense. And to wrap this up I would have more of a scum lean on Snowy for promoting this ‘feelings/mean’ stuff.

-Chaqa
-I don’t have much to say other than I have a neutral read on him. He told me in the sign up thread that, ‘thanks for volunteering on being the day 1 kill’ or something like that. He kept his word and mostly targeted me so it’s hard to make any kind of read on that. It’s obvious that he dislikes my politics and has mentioned politics multiple times when that has nothing to do with the game and I have never mentioned politics in this game. He is obviously a very small minded and intolerant person. Truly unable to let go of past grievances and anyone who can’t play a fresh game really has no business playing in a forum game. However, I expect him to be around for years to stink up these games.

Others
I didn't give a read on everyone. Others like Worcej are town cleared. So, anyway if I die then gl.

This was ND's last post. Unfortunately he didn't indicate who he was gonna scan but had kotp on top with interesting comments (my embolding). kotp Judge Fear maybe?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Surprise I'm not asleep yet

Did you not see how Will reacted to brainbomb's claim? Do you not have eyes?

Sure there's a world where they're both scum and it's all theatre but not one where Will is town

I’m sorry, why? Wouldn’t brain be the scummy one? You are clearly trying to cover for him.

[Balki Bartokomous]

no I just dont understand why youve suddenly started being so toxic and dismissive of what I have to say.

It is because you’re not on my team and the things you are trying to say are designed to make me lose the game.

Not actually true. things are not simple and the things I am saying I think could be completely plausible.

Are you saying here that you are on my team?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Mornin'

Why haven't we launched Fid into the beyond yet? Since when have y'all taking to let scum skate by?

How’s it feel to be outed?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

This end of day will be five star entertainment

Fr

[brainbomb]

the thing is, without knowing exactly what occurred its possible ND died in 4 different ways, maybe as many as 3 ways simultaneously.

he couldve been shot by death, while visiting fear, while also being shot by MMA fidelis.

these are all possible things that couldve stacked. triple killed by mistake possibly, and no way we will ever know. And some of this even the mafia wouldnt know. thats why I think its a meaningless speculation topic in the middle of whats far more compelling: a cop counter claim battle that calls into question pirate vs rhk.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I ain't scum. But I'm also not participating so people aren't going to believe that.

No worries, I'm sure we'll get to that later, words will be said, I'll get yelled at for being an awful player, we go through that song every time so w/e.

So what was it Fid? Didja blow a load in ND's face while he walked in the door?

Claim time

I think you and rivera are the last ones

It's 8 AM. We really doing this already?

Fine, I'm the Vanilla cop.
Darg put in damo N1 and I didn't bother to change it. Vanilla.
I put in food N2 and got Vanilla
I put in snowy N3 and got Not Vanilla

Hmmmm nah don’t buy this

Snowy as not vanilla?

[brainbomb]

I think that a doc save probably only wouldve saved one of those ways to die, and since he was macho cop he was dying regardless. thatll be a read for post game, How did ND perish.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Do we have any other corroborating info on KOTP/Demon to help figure this out?

I do have to say that Snowy being not vanilla makes more sense to me than Snowy being vanilla, but I would need to check what roles come up as what.

Kotp is either a judge or a cop. I know it.

[Chaqa]

I think that a doc save probably only wouldve saved one of those ways to die, and since he was macho cop he was dying regardless. thatll be a read for post game, How did ND perish.

ND wouldnt have been protected regardless. I didn't realize what the Macho Cop actually did until just now so it's at least possible Judge Death has kills left.

It's odd to me that KOTP was aware of this nuance though.