MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[snowy801]

Friends, EoD is in 30 minutes

[bozotheclown]

Ok see here: viewtopic.php?p=337350#p337350 (quote truncated as it's monstrously long)

The two parts I mention in my post above

OK my case on Snowy is growing as Snowy is posting but ignoring my repeating questioning...

Because as far as I can tell they have no actual rationale for their hardlock of me as Mafia to share...



This is the best I can find:

Speaking of reasons why I actually believe something, I direct people to review this comment

In other words, they hardlock me as Mafia for using a definitive "when" instead of "if" inside a joke banter post with Bona.

First section of my previous comment, wherein Koala makes his professional assumption on why I scum read him. Assumptions are fair, given that I've hardly explained my rationale, but then he turns it into a single issue vote which sets up the strawman.

earliest setup reading mafia player

The best part is – the last one is by Snowy themselves!

So Snowy – you are a Mafia hardlock because you didn't say "if" when you said Bona is the earliest setup reading mafia player – riiiiight? You just stated it as a fact. Clearly, you can only know this from Mafia chat.

Continuation, and this is the "stretch." First, either misunderstanding or willful twisting of an innocuous phrase. Some leniency can be provided as Jamiet apparently also misunderstood this, but as both he and bona pointed out hardly relevant in any sense and a deliberately bad faith argument to extend his premise, which could've been fair in isolation but isn't (also guys, while I appreciate you guys making these rebuttals for me it kind of ruins the point of not giving them anything to work with)

So to you, rdrivera, I wanted to hear your understanding of these growing serious of misunderstandings and possibly willful ignorance, but for whatever reason all of it seems to be just escaping your mere glance which my personal respect for your ability continues to find extremely worrisome. You seem to be very out of it as a whole in this game, and your position on Koala is merely an extension of that

To return to the original point, the reason why this comment caught my eye:

i think i'm pretty clearly cooler as i wasn't born in the previous millennium like a boomer

When we flip you as Mafia, if I'm still alive, I'll say "boom" just for you.

And here's where I requested for my sanity check, and apparently bozo interpreted this line as being somewhat similar to how Koala saw it, as my claiming that because he said "when", I deduced that Koala must know with certainty that bona is scum, which can only happen if Koala is scum and therefore knew this. But this must also mean that bona is scum with Koala.

This is not, in fact, what I read when I saw this line. As some of you may recall from my old rants, the best way to deduce alignment is to not observe player action, but to consider the state of mind from which this action is derived. In this very simplistic form of that concept, we see here that certainty is expressed in a way that instantly rang alarm bells in my head - but I did not understand it as a slip of knowledge. Instead, I perceived it to be him attempting to emulate a state of mind in which he is town, being certain that he has caught scum (bona) and slipping in his expression of that.

In the conversation leading up to this moment, both bona and Koala hammer at each other seemingly convinced that the other is scum. But bona's language is natural, indicative of just him being his usual self having caught scum. Koala's is not.

This is not the only reason why I scum read him, but it is the primary reason. I was hoping that you, rdrivera, could see the build up and the implications that I was attempting to make and both see your reaction to it as well as your understanding to the validity to my theories. But instead what I received was utter apathy on the alignment of Koala, excepting a meek "well I think he's town" response from you.

You can see why I find you, independent of Koala, very concerning.

But I am equally hopeful that I will not have to dirty my hands, and that town will be forced to resolve your question in my absence. We shall again, on this topic, see how the wind blows.

Now tell me, why is Koala town?

OK, I understand your position now. The game I played where KoalaAttack was mafia, he was never under any significant pressure, so I am not sure what kind of thing he would do to try to defend himself, but I know he is willing to put in a lot of effort as either alignment.

I still prefer Chaqa as the DK today, but I will be online at EOD.

[snowy801]

You may yet get your wish

This game really has weird vibes

[snowy801]

s&c never got around to responding to anything huh

[snowy801]

Hi Jimmit

[Dousing]

s&c never got around to responding to anything huh

Well he was active for a long as time tbh

[snowy801]

s&c never got around to responding to anything huh

Well he was active for a long as time tbh

Fair, it's not an indictment of his activity level, only a comment that there are open questions that were asked to be resolved

[Dousing]

##Vote Koala

I hate to do this, but Snowy is kinda convincing

[snowy801]

Oh goody I get to keep Eden as a wagon

[Bonatogether]

am back, have 2%, fine with this vote, haven't read anything since last posted

[damo666]

Interesting.

[worcej]

A Vote Count:
KoalaAttack (4) Bonatogether, damo666*, sweetandcool, Dousing
Chaqa (3) bozotheclown, President Eden, rdrivera2005
President Eden (3) snowy801, Jamiet99uk, Chaqa
snowy801 (1) KoalaAttack

15 minutes left

[Dousing]

I REALLY wish S&C was the DK, but there was no momentum for this

I'm not 100% TR-ing Damo just yet, but I trust them more for agreeing with me on the S&C issue when there was no reason for them to .

(now that I say it Damo could just be mafia trying to divert attention from their fellow mafia but S&C would be a poor candidate for that kind of strategy)

[snowy801]

Gentlemen, the tie has been broken! Do we have any higher bidders? Going once, going twice...

[Dousing]

This is my first game but I can still feel the weird vibes

also I'm not sure I have a good enough baseline on how Eden normally plays to judge whether the volume of their posts can be an indictment of them

[damo666]

@snowy I don't see a game of chicken.

With neither Chaqa nor Eden currently on Koala whatever Koala does he still ends up the kill.

I don't see it panning out any other way.

[Bonatogether]

This is my first game but I can still feel the weird vibes

also I'm not sure I have a good enough baseline on how Eden normally plays to judge whether the volume of their posts can be an indictment of them

volume isn't, his lack of quality is

[Dousing]

Also why are there only 3/11 players present during EoD???

[KoalaAttack]

##VOTE President Eden

When I die read my posts the answers are there

At a party see you all in the God threat

[Dousing]

This is my first game but I can still feel the weird vibes

also I'm not sure I have a good enough baseline on how Eden normally plays to judge whether the volume of their posts can be an indictment of them

volume isn't, his lack of quality is

also I'm not sure I have a good enough baseline on how Eden normally plays to judge whether the quality of their posts can be an indictment of them