M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

GM NOTE:

worcej has REPLACED goldfinger0303

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[worcej]

On mobile atm, but will post my observations I have made once I am at PC

[damo666]

Have you been following Jimmy W

[TheFlyingBoat]

On mobile atm, but will post my observations I have made once I am at PC

Good shit. Curious to get a fresh set of eyes on this thing

[ghug]

I kinda feel like scum goldie would be too embarrassed to replace out here.

[Donny Dude]

I kinda feel like scum goldie would be too embarrassed to replace out here.

Idk if embarrassment is the word I would use but frustration. I agree though.
I feel like Maniac not being on anyone scum means maybe hes trying to avoid pushing their wagons, but I feel that d3 + d4 are more out there than d2 continuance on bob but has a continued pattern of never being on the top wagon and being bob bob hr hr feels a bit not happy with the top choices.

[worcej]

Have you been following Jimmy W

Yes, but not enough of a way to be thoroughly aware of all the nuances and layered interactions. I didn't understand why HR was killed on D6 and have been a little skeptical on some of the pushes/votes made.

On mobile atm, but will post my observations I have made once I am at PC

Good shit. Curious to get a fresh set of eyes on this thing

I'm probably going to ultimately disappoint you.

I kinda feel like scum goldie would be too embarrassed to replace out here.

Truth be told, I sent a GT comment today effectively saying Goldie must be scum because the whole comment about not having subs in the wings based off Vecna's job struck me as odd.

I have a speculation that the GMs **may** have sent him a message saying that wasn't the actual case, so now I am here. But this is just my stupid reasoning because the timing was interesting and nothing beyond that.

I can tell you, whether you believe it or not, that goldie (now me) is indeed a VT and when I saw that role PM I was kinda shocked.

[worcej]

So, FWIW, by watching loosely as a spectator and reviewing without much attachment, I wasn't shocked to see celaph and Durga flip scum (they both had poor performances imho) and Vecna was semi-shocking (I had him as a semi-town), but in general his gameplay was off to begin with so I wouldn't have fought against it.

From there, my thoughts why spectating was the final two scum are Jamie and ghug.

Jamie struck me as the most likely Godfather candidate and has done enough to dodge much actual suspicion while also being scummy (my read) with how he is presenting his analysis. This is the thing I am most comfortable with and would love input on from others.

The ghug read is based on the fact I dont recall him being butting heads with Jamie in any way (I may have missed it, so correct me if I am wrong) and has been enough non-townie to warrant a from me. Again, input appreciated.

[worcej]

Of people still alive:

People who voted for scum ONCE:
Damo666
rdrivera2005
Goldfinger

People who voted for scum TWICE:
BobMcBob

People who voted for scum ALL THREE times:
TheFlyingBoat
Jamiet99uk
Ghug
Donny Dude

People who have never been on a scum wagon at EoD:
Maniac

This analysis is bullshit if you include D3. Durga was a runaway and obvious wagon and there is nothing to get from that day and including it on the list just distort the results.

I hard agree with rdr here - Durga was so obviously scum based on D3 that I'd update it to exclude that.

[worcej]

BobMcBob has spent today laser focused on my slot and an interaction with TFB - is this relevant for any particular reason?

Like, I get scumming goldie, but more interested in the TFB tie.

[worcej]

Ok, I'm pretty irritated at all the people who felt the need to state their intention to kill Maniac today, since scum killing one of Maniac and gold would have been handy. Killing Maniac today would be stupid, so we will not be doing that.

@Boat, imagine for a moment that gold is scum, and then prove by contradiction with your D1 VCA that he isn't.

Fair point although I didn't think of Maniac being NKd because I scumread him (obviously).

I actually thought the NK would be gold or TFB. I suppose Chaqa makes sense with the RB.

I'm now thinking both scans still being alive is suspicious.

##vote Maniac

Can you explain the statement: "Chaqa makes sense with the RB."

[worcej]

@Ghug:
What do you make of my observation that Maniac has never voted for someone who went on to flip scum, and that he is the only player alive for which this is true?

I feel like that's a function of his not being very active in EoDs.

Do you think scum is likely to miss out on three pretty obvious busses?

This final question from ghug is part of why I think Jamie is scum.

[Donny Dude]

Do you read Maniac as town Worcej?

[ghug]

So, FWIW, by watching loosely as a spectator and reviewing without much attachment, I wasn't shocked to see celaph and Durga flip scum (they both had poor performances imho) and Vecna was semi-shocking (I had him as a semi-town), but in general his gameplay was off to begin with so I wouldn't have fought against it.

From there, my thoughts why spectating was the final two scum are Jamie and ghug.

Jamie struck me as the most likely Godfather candidate and has done enough to dodge much actual suspicion while also being scummy (my read) with how he is presenting his analysis. This is the thing I am most comfortable with and would love input on from others.

The ghug read is based on the fact I dont recall him being butting heads with Jamie in any way (I may have missed it, so correct me if I am wrong) and has been enough non-townie to warrant a from me. Again, input appreciated.

I thought you scumread gold before entering? Were Jamie and I two and three, or what?

Jamie and I have definitely butted heads this game.

[damo666]

Ok, I'm pretty irritated at all the people who felt the need to state their intention to kill Maniac today, since scum killing one of Maniac and gold would have been handy. Killing Maniac today would be stupid, so we will not be doing that.

@Boat, imagine for a moment that gold is scum, and then prove by contradiction with your D1 VCA that he isn't.

Fair point although I didn't think of Maniac being NKd because I scumread him (obviously).

I actually thought the NK would be gold or TFB. I suppose Chaqa makes sense with the RB.

I'm now thinking both scans still being alive is suspicious.

##vote Maniac

Can you explain the statement: "Chaqa makes sense with the RB."

RB implies quasi clue

[TheFlyingBoat]

So, FWIW, by watching loosely as a spectator and reviewing without much attachment, I wasn't shocked to see celaph and Durga flip scum (they both had poor performances imho) and Vecna was semi-shocking (I had him as a semi-town), but in general his gameplay was off to begin with so I wouldn't have fought against it.

From there, my thoughts why spectating was the final two scum are Jamie and ghug.

Jamie struck me as the most likely Godfather candidate and has done enough to dodge much actual suspicion while also being scummy (my read) with how he is presenting his analysis. This is the thing I am most comfortable with and would love input on from others.

The ghug read is based on the fact I dont recall him being butting heads with Jamie in any way (I may have missed it, so correct me if I am wrong) and has been enough non-townie to warrant a from me. Again, input appreciated.

if ghug were scum I'd expect significantly more miskills with his fingerprints on them. I don't think we get celaph D2, which means the blatant scumminess of Durga doesn't become apparent, which also makes the Durga-Foxna links made a lot weaker as well, which may have averted Foxna's death. As for ghug-jamie, he's been scum reading Jamie for a while and argued with him plenty, so while it's theoretically possible either could be scum, I don't think that reasoning does anything.

[worcej]

So, FWIW, by watching loosely as a spectator and reviewing without much attachment, I wasn't shocked to see celaph and Durga flip scum (they both had poor performances imho) and Vecna was semi-shocking (I had him as a semi-town), but in general his gameplay was off to begin with so I wouldn't have fought against it.

From there, my thoughts why spectating was the final two scum are Jamie and ghug.

Jamie struck me as the most likely Godfather candidate and has done enough to dodge much actual suspicion while also being scummy (my read) with how he is presenting his analysis. This is the thing I am most comfortable with and would love input on from others.

The ghug read is based on the fact I dont recall him being butting heads with Jamie in any way (I may have missed it, so correct me if I am wrong) and has been enough non-townie to warrant a from me. Again, input appreciated.

I thought you scumread gold before entering? Were Jamie and I two and three, or what?

Jamie and I have definitely butted heads this game.

I know gold was town since I am him now, so that eliminates him from my pool.

[worcej]

So, FWIW, by watching loosely as a spectator and reviewing without much attachment, I wasn't shocked to see celaph and Durga flip scum (they both had poor performances imho) and Vecna was semi-shocking (I had him as a semi-town), but in general his gameplay was off to begin with so I wouldn't have fought against it.

From there, my thoughts why spectating was the final two scum are Jamie and ghug.

Jamie struck me as the most likely Godfather candidate and has done enough to dodge much actual suspicion while also being scummy (my read) with how he is presenting his analysis. This is the thing I am most comfortable with and would love input on from others.

The ghug read is based on the fact I dont recall him being butting heads with Jamie in any way (I may have missed it, so correct me if I am wrong) and has been enough non-townie to warrant a from me. Again, input appreciated.

if ghug were scum I'd expect significantly more miskills with his fingerprints on them. I don't think we get celaph D2, which means the blatant scumminess of Durga doesn't become apparent, which also makes the Durga-Foxna links made a lot weaker as well, which may have averted Foxna's death. As for ghug-jamie, he's been scum reading Jamie for a while and argued with him plenty, so while it's theoretically possible either could be scum, I don't think that reasoning does anything.

How do you feel about Jamie?

[worcej]

Fair point although I didn't think of Maniac being NKd because I scumread him (obviously).

I actually thought the NK would be gold or TFB. I suppose Chaqa makes sense with the RB.

I'm now thinking both scans still being alive is suspicious.

##vote Maniac

Can you explain the statement: "Chaqa makes sense with the RB."

RB implies quasi clue

quasi clue is what exactly?

[worcej]

Do you read Maniac as town Worcej?

At this exact moment, I don't have a strong scum read on him. Not being on a scum wagon ever isn't damning in any way. Low participation isn't damning either. I should read his content more closely, but I wouldn't expect him to be scum right now. With the count at 7-2, I think we have plenty of time

I'd much prefer a Jamie flip now over Maniac. Since I've made this obvious enough now, here you all go - ##vote Jamie

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