M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[Johnny Big Horse]

Everyone, thank you. This was a lot of fun.

I know I sucked. But I enjoyed it.

I was provoking you Jaime. Sorry.

[Jamiet99uk]

No, I wasn't. When I talked in scum QT I was active in-thread, when I was gone I was gone - this was a very quiet QT for me lol. Although I was scum this time (by chance) you do almost literally accuse me of being scum, unless you're scum

Go read god thread, pretty sure I left you messages :D

I have no wish to read them.

You play in an anti-town way as either alignment.

I pushed for your kill and I was right.

I applaud you for your win in this game and I concede defeat in it. I doff my cap to you, sir.

But town LETS people like you do this AGAIN and AGAIN and it boils my piss that we do not policy-kill low posters. We should. It's perfectly clear to me that we should and this is YET ANOTHER glaring example.

You joking and laughing after you killed HB pushed me over the edge because it was so obvious and I lost my temper. I am sorry. It is not just your fault personally, it is the fault of the whole community. But I'm sorry I lost my cool.

[e.m.c^42]

Why the hell did y'all shoot Horsey?

Because we literally had to persuade EMC to NOT SHOOT HIMSELF!

I took whatever target he wanted other than that.

Y'all were cowards for not letting me do it, with probably the one GM that would allow it as valid play lol

[Jamiet99uk]

Everyone, thank you. This was a lot of fun.

I know I sucked. But I enjoyed it.

I was provoking you Jaime. Sorry.

Some of your lines of thought were the right ones - you just need to learn how the game works - no apology needed, and I hope you play again

[ghug]

GG Scum

I am sorry for my angry outburst. I hope the community will at least show me some clemency for the fact that I realised I was getting too emotional and therefore I asked to sub out rather than being modkilled or replaced.

But again, sorry.

Xorxes did a good job in the brief time he was in my slot, so thanks to him.

@Johnny Big Horse: I'm sorry our interactions were so charged, and I hope you learned something about this game, and will play again.

@Vecna, Dargorygel: Thanks for running this. It was a genuinely interesting setup, and it could be run again. It did not surprise me that choosing a rose, and not a gun, was the town dynamic.

Now I must say something else:

I apologise for getting so angry at EMC, but I was right that he was scum, and so, from my perspective, there is a problem in this community that however much I shout about it we refuse to kill lurking scum. Whenever I push scummy lurkers as town, I am told to fuck off and shut up. Ghug, I am looking at you in particular but you are not the only one. I am right more than 50% of the time. Lurking is scum-sided - as a lurker you help scum whether you are scum or not. The attitude to lurking that Ghug, EMC, and other people have developed means that webDip Mafia has become a pro-lurking-scum community and you(we?) need to start policy-killing lurkers.

EMC won this game and if you were town, you need to seriously think about how you helped EMC get away with that. Worcej lurked very hard at times too. Only Chaqa fronted up.

There, I've said it.

Now, finally, I'll go back to my outburst. It was rude and over the top and I am sorry. It does not become a Council member and I have offered my resignation to Dargorygel and President Eden, and what they do next is up to them.

I'm usually with you on this, Jamie. This time, I (wrongly) felt that the occasional bursts of activity emc was displaying were townie, and let him go for it.

I've long said that the way to deal with this is to policy kill people, but there doesn't seem to be much stomach for that.

[Jamiet99uk]

I've long said that the way to deal with this is to policy kill people, but there doesn't seem to be much stomach for that.

I pushed for a kill on EMC on pure policy and you were quite rude to me about it, as I recall, but ok.

[snowy801]

I personally don't believe policy lynching is the solution. I believe emc should be permanently banned

Not for anything he did this game to be sure - scum has the right to lurk - but for the sentiment expressed in the God QT message that more or less went: "snowy you only got me by chance - I do this every game and I can't wait to see you rage as I do this next game as town"

I infer from Jamiet's earlier message that darg and Eden are thse Mafia Councillors and so to you I state a gain: if you have witnessed previous games and agree with the manifold claims that emc plays like this regardless of alignment

Ban him. Permanently

He is a predator who abuses the goodwill of this community.

[e.m.c^42]

I have no wish to read them.

You play in an anti-town way as either alignment.

I pushed for your kill and I was right.

I applaud you for your win in this game and I concede defeat in it. I doff my cap to you, sir.

But town LETS people like you do this AGAIN and AGAIN and it boils my piss that we do not policy-kill low posters. We should. It's perfectly clear to me that we should and this is YET ANOTHER glaring example.

You joking and laughing after you killed HB pushed me over the edge because it was so obvious and I lost my temper. I am sorry. It is not just your fault personally, it is the fault of the whole community. But I'm sorry I lost my cool.

To be fair that is quite true, and iirc we did go through a period of five or so games where we did policy me, although that never really ended up doing anything. Also no need for apologies, this was what I sent in GT lmao

Sorry Jamie, you are quite right; but irregardless I really do love your fiery passion all directed at me, please don't tone it down in any future games.

No-one else really pulls out insults anymore, and it's rather disappointing :p

[ghug]

Johnny, I hope you play again.

Chaqa, I hope you play again too.

Emc and worcej, I will no longer be using the tiniest modicum of effort and being completely batshit as reasons to townread you, so adjust accordingly. Well played!

[ghug]

I've long said that the way to deal with this is to policy kill people, but there doesn't seem to be much stomach for that.

I pushed for a kill on EMC on pure policy and you were quite rude to me about it, as I recall, but ok.

I don't really recall being rude to you until your vitriolic outburst, but if I was, I apologize.

[e.m.c^42]

I personally don't believe policy lynching is the solution. I believe emc should be permanently banned

Not for anything he did this game to be sure - scum has the right to lurk - but for the sentiment expressed in the God QT message that more or less went: "snowy you only got me by chance - I do this every game and I can't wait to see you rage as I do this next game as town"

I infer from Jamiet's earlier message that darg and Eden are thse Mafia Councillors and so to you I state a gain: if you have witnessed previous games and agree with the manifold claims that emc plays like this regardless of alignment

Ban him. Permanently

He is a predator who abuses the goodwill of this community.

Extremely tempted to flirt with you here except that would be just weird, right after you called me predatory ;p

General point I was trying to make is that a) activity can be NAI and b) lurking implies reading but present, which isn't true if you just aren't online at all.

[snowy801]

Your point is irrelevant.

Regardless of whether you get banned, I ask that you stop playing mafia here, and elsewhere.

You ruin the efforts of dozens of people for your perverse pleasures, and that is not okay.

I hope you take some time to reflect upon your actions and make the right choice.

[worcej]

Everyone, thank you. This was a lot of fun.

I know I sucked. But I enjoyed it.

I was provoking you Jaime. Sorry.

Play more, you were a nice addition to the community. You get better as you go along.

[snowy801]

Yeah Johnny if you visit God QT you will see a litany of praise for you.

[damo666]

I personally don't believe policy lynching is the solution. I believe emc should be permanently banned

Not for anything he did this game to be sure - scum has the right to lurk - but for the sentiment expressed in the God QT message that more or less went: "snowy you only got me by chance - I do this every game and I can't wait to see you rage as I do this next game as town"

I infer from Jamiet's earlier message that darg and Eden are thse Mafia Councillors and so to you I state a gain: if you have witnessed previous games and agree with the manifold claims that emc plays like this regardless of alignment

Ban him. Permanently

He is a predator who abuses the goodwill of this community.

I assume you are joking.

EMC did what was required of him. He voted each day and fulfilled the minimum posting requirement. He broke no rules. If you don't like the way he plays, vote him off.

That said, EMC if you sign up I do think you ought to up your effort.

[worcej]

Johnny, I hope you play again.

Chaqa, I hope you play again too.

Emc and worcej, I will no longer be using the tiniest modicum of effort and being completely batshit as reasons to townread you, so adjust accordingly. Well played!

I think I may have moved from 'he's bad' to 'he's bad but also capable of exploiting this weakness in me so I should look at him harder'

[dargorygel]

Gg all... Some more than others.
I'll catch up and comment later. Sorry I was off an entire day!!!

[Chaqa]

I personally don't believe policy lynching is the solution. I believe emc should be permanently banned

Not for anything he did this game to be sure - scum has the right to lurk - but for the sentiment expressed in the God QT message that more or less went: "snowy you only got me by chance - I do this every game and I can't wait to see you rage as I do this next game as town"

I infer from Jamiet's earlier message that darg and Eden are thse Mafia Councillors and so to you I state a gain: if you have witnessed previous games and agree with the manifold claims that emc plays like this regardless of alignment

Ban him. Permanently

He is a predator who abuses the goodwill of this community.

I cannot disagree with this hard enough.

[snowy801]

I personally don't believe policy lynching is the solution. I believe emc should be permanently banned

Not for anything he did this game to be sure - scum has the right to lurk - but for the sentiment expressed in the God QT message that more or less went: "snowy you only got me by chance - I do this every game and I can't wait to see you rage as I do this next game as town"

I infer from Jamiet's earlier message that darg and Eden are thse Mafia Councillors and so to you I state a gain: if you have witnessed previous games and agree with the manifold claims that emc plays like this regardless of alignment

Ban him. Permanently

He is a predator who abuses the goodwill of this community.

I assume you are joking.

EMC did what was required of him. He voted each day and fulfilled the minimum posting requirement. He broke no rules. If you don't like the way he plays, vote him off.

That said, EMC if you sign up I do think you ought to up your effort.

I am not the type to rage and cry if I don't get my way. I believe my sentiments were adequately expressed, so I'll make this my final comment on this unpleasant topic.

You just asked me to vote a player in mafia because I don't like his playstyle, not because I believe he is most likely to be scum.

If you do not see the issue here, you are also part of the problem.

[worcej]

Your point is irrelevant.

Regardless of whether you get banned, I ask that you stop playing mafia here, and elsewhere.

You ruin the efforts of dozens of people for your perverse pleasures, and that is not okay.

I hope you take some time to reflect upon your actions and make the right choice.

I can understand this feeling, but literally town had multiple chances to eliminate him earlier and only a few entertained it.

Your monologue in the God QT was spot on though - we're all too desperate to be THE hero that town doesn't normally come together well.