France vs Austria Bot Challenge

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#161 Post by Sodium Telluride » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:06 am

Ok, now I feel really dumb. I saw the gold badge next to both of your names and assumed that you were the same. Doug7878, I would trust dipperjay over me. Sorry if I caused any confusion

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#162 Post by dipperjay » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:17 am

Sodium Telluride wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:06 am
Ok, now I feel really dumb. I saw the gold badge next to both of your names and assumed that you were the same. Doug7878, I would trust dipperjay over me. Sorry if I caused any confusion
That badge is only a sign that I donated some dollars to the great cause of this site, not of intellectual superiority or knowledge :razz: Your experience in bot games is huge, so it’s helpful to know that. Maybe the (new) bot does draw more quickly or differently from what I described, who knows? One thing I’ll add, I think in classic, it depends on the recent gains from only the largest power, not every bot country.
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#163 Post by MerryBBuck » Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:30 pm

dipperjay wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:36 am
Sodium Telluride wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:29 am

From what I have seen, yes. The bot will draw when the player draws in all of the times I've seen and done it
No, it won’t, in my experience. I don’t know the exact specifics, but here are a few things I know: if you cancel or draw the game in the first two years (I believe up to and including A02), the bot will draw or cancel. In later years, the bot won’t cancel and it will only draw if it hasn’t gained any SCs for a number of turns. In my experience, it is incapable of looking ahead, i.e. it will draw even when it has an unstoppable path to 18, it might be purely based on a simple algorithm from recent numbers.
The bot's algorithm for accepting a draw mystifies me, based on my FvA experiences. I have experimented with voting Draw mid-way through some games, and I have seen the bot both accept and not accept draws in cases where a human would do the opposite. My only conclusion is that the draw algorithm isn't sophisticated.
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#164 Post by azcat1990 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:53 pm

I was wondering about its draws as well:

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

A weird one in that S06 I held Greece/Bulgaria and Turkey was still neutral, but that crumbled and by W07 he had 17 dots. A recapture of Tunis and a lucky guess in Turkey brought us back to 16-16. I was able to take St.Pete (and temporarily lose Tunis) S08. But with Turkey about to crumble I offered a draw which he took. Ended up with France owning Constantinople and Ankara/Smyrna remaining neutral. He was pretty much guaranteed to pick up 3 Turkish dots quickly had he declined though perhaps I could have pushed into Munich and/or Italy so who knows. I'd have declined in his position certainly.
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#165 Post by Doug7878 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:51 pm

Nice win for svkris with a southern opening...

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#166 Post by honeynutt.cheerios » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:22 pm

I'm sorry, can someone explain to me how you start a game with fairbot?
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#167 Post by Sodium Telluride » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:54 pm

honeynutt.cheerios wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:22 pm
I'm sorry, can someone explain to me how you start a game with fairbot?
Just start any Austria v France Game against the bots, and that's how you play Fairbot. Good luck!
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#168 Post by MerryBBuck » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:02 pm

Sodium Telluride wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:54 pm
honeynutt.cheerios wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:22 pm
I'm sorry, can someone explain to me how you start a game with fairbot?
Just start any Austria v France Game against the bots, and that's how you play Fairbot. Good luck!
Since I overlooked the actual link the first time I tried to play against bots: After you do Games, Create a New Game, look for the text link near the top of the screen "Play A Game Against Bots".
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#169 Post by Doug7878 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:30 pm

Hey Merry - Did you break bot?
I see that game "MonFvA2" is in Autumn 1935 !!!
I'm also curious - Have either of you voted DRAW ?

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#170 Post by MerryBBuck » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:54 pm

Doug7878 wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:30 pm
Hey Merry - Did you break bot?
I see that game "MonFvA2" is in Autumn 1935 !!!
I'm also curious - Have either of you voted DRAW ?
That game seems to have uncovered a fairbot glitch. The game is clearly a draw (but no, I have not voted draw). I wanted to see what happened if I just kept going. Since fairbot is stuck, it will eventually run out of delays and resign. I'm looking forward to that. :-D

But I've played a couple of games since that one got "stuck," so I hope I didn't break fairbot for everyone. (Fairbot seems to be stuck in multiple games at the moment.)

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#171 Post by MerryBBuck » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:27 pm

Drat. Fairbot unstuck in that game. Drawn.

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#172 Post by Doug7878 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:54 am

I won another against the Austrian bot...

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

@Merry. That's too bad. In my game (above), the bot hung up a couple of times, but eventually restarted in each case. Wierd.
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#173 Post by Doug7878 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:48 pm

Congrats on another win, Merry.

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

They are not coming easy these days.

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#174 Post by MerryBBuck » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:22 pm

Doug7878 wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:48 pm
Congrats on another win, Merry.
Thank you. Belated congrats on your victory, too.
Doug7878 wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:48 pm
They are not coming easy these days.
It feels that way to me too. Thank you to the researchers for their ongoing work.
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#175 Post by MerryBBuck » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:21 am

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#176 Post by MerryBBuck » Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:54 am

The bot got smoked today. Did something happen, or are we getting better?

Randaz20: https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=342505
Mr. Midshipman Aird: https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=342484
Bostrup: https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=342432
wokulski1: https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=342313
me: https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=342420

Roadhog also notched a couple of victories recently.
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#177 Post by Roadhog » Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:29 am

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=342589

This game was drawn due to 'All players failing to enter orders'. I was playing this as a live game against the bot.

Does anyone know what happened?

Thanks for your time!

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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#178 Post by amdx » Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:33 pm

Roadhog wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:29 am
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=342589

This game was drawn due to 'All players failing to enter orders'. I was playing this as a live game against the bot.

Does anyone know what happened?

Thanks for your time!
This is some odd WebDip bug that happens from time to time :(
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#179 Post by Doug7878 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:20 am

Playing as Austria, Fairbot has won his last 34 games.
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Re: France vs Austria Bot Challenge

#180 Post by MerryBBuck » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:14 am

Doug7878 wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:20 am
Playing as Austria, Fairbot has won his last 34 games.
Two wins to end that streak:
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=343777
and a win from 90kicvesb: https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=343796
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