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when tested for sources of human or godlike DNA all churches are baffled that there seems to be no evidence that the eucharist is actually containing any human or godlike matter.

If there is God's essence present, what makes you think human instruments would be able to measure it or even detect it?

Can you tell this in detail . I think this testing is done for many years now ?

God is not of time, space or matter. He created those things. He is not part of those things.

Whole food or White Jesus?

Scientology has been proving the presence of Godlike DNA in people for decades. Are you saying their process is not legitimate?

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:33 pm

when tested for sources of human or godlike DNA all churches are baffled that there seems to be no evidence that the eucharist is actually containing any human or godlike matter.

The divine being that we call God is detached from the constraints of time, space and matter. Rather than being a product of these elements, He is the mastermind behind their creation. It is important to note that God does not fall under the umbrella of these concepts; He exists outside of them, in a realm of His own.

heidenmaverick wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:45 am

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:33 pm

when tested for sources of human or godlike DNA all churches are baffled that there seems to be no evidence that the eucharist is actually containing any human or godlike matter.

The divine being that we call God is detached from the constraints of time, space and matter. Rather than being a product of these elements, He is the mastermind behind their creation. It is important to note that God does not fall under the umbrella of these concepts; He exists outside of them, in a realm of His own.

Imagine joining an online Diplomacy website just to say that.

The goal of this thread was to discuss how completely ridiculous transubstantion actually is

transubstantiation

Why is this a ridiculous idea, and the zodiac belief is not? There are millions of people who are listening to astrologists' crap like it is divine dogma. What makes religion inferior and a ground for mockery while the zodiac is part of any morning TV broadcast?
Besides, as I said before, who are we to understand the ways of God? It is like expecting ants to understand literature.

PRINCE WILLIAM wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:53 am

Why is this a ridiculous idea, and the zodiac belief is not? There are millions of people who are listening to astrologists' crap like it is divine dogma. What makes religion inferior and a ground for mockery while the zodiac is part of any morning TV broadcast?
Besides, as I said before, who are we to understand the ways of God? It is like expecting ants to understand literature.

People who believe in horoscopes are foolish.

Sure, there are only 12 types of people and 8.33% of all humans are going to meet a tall dark lover this week. Sure.

It's absolute bullshit; Astrologers are confidence tricksters of a pretty low order.

It's easy-peasy to dunk on religious or horoscope literalists. The problem is, in large part, you're arguing with imagined opponents.

Most Christians wouldn't feel compelled to answer a question like "What would Jesus' DNA look like if he had only one human parent?" because, even if they're adamant that Jesus was a real living person, his DNA composition has very little to do with their faith. They believe in something supernatural that doesn't need a materialist explanation. It's only a fairly small branch of Christian apologists who try (and generally fail) to justify everything in the Bible as being scientifically grounded.

Most people "believe" in horoscopes because that's what makes them fun. Horoscopes are about as scientific as those colour personality tests a lot of employers use, but just because they're bullshit doesn't mean they aren't useful. People get real benefits by being given a framework to reflect on their choices, to try to explain others' motivations, etc. It's the same reason why novels and other works of fiction can be helpful. At the end of the day, I don't think many "believing" horoscope readers would endorse using horoscopes in the justice system, to arrange marriages, etc., so when they say they "believe" they're really just saying "don't ruin my fun, I find these useful". Somewhere there's almost certainly a heavily-pierced lady at a Wicken book store who deeply believes in the literal truth of moon phases - but she probably holds 1000 other views that are dumb, and what does it matter?

How would you imagine using horoscopes in the justice system, even if they were real?

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:09 am

How would you imagine using horoscopes in the justice system, even if they were real?

What I was trying to say is, if people *actually* believed in horoscopes then presumably they'd think a suspected criminal's birth date would provide some insight into their criminality, their chance of recidivism, etc.

You need to go read St. Thomas Aquinas. There's a difference between transubstantiation and transformation. The Eucharist IS the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ in the FORM of bread and wine. If you were to find DNA, then something other than transubstantiation is at work. The form is not changed, the substance is.

That St. Thomas Aquinas, nearly 800 years ago, going into that level of detail in his thinking about the Holy Eucharist when literally nobody on the planet even dreamed of DNA. Still he made the distinction between form and substance, so that it's not necessary to have this conversation with BB over his silly little strawman argument.

Man, that dude was inspired

Speaking of silly strawmen. I thought this was pretty funny

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qJguU6sLR-8

it's on the same level.

Whilst a God may not be bound by the Laws of Space~time & matter, if God is everywhere in our world then axiomatically that God must exist within the space time of our universe, can't be only external, God may exist outside our Universe yet has to at the minimum, visit us to perform his Miracles etc.
You can cherry pick which parts of the universe or places outside the universe an omnipresent God exists in to suit a particular theological theory or proposition/argument.
So can we please stick with the orthodox belief that the Christian God exists everywhere, including within our universe? (& presumably Allah, Buddha & the other Gods & Deities for those who believe in those Gods also are capable of existing everywhere)

Obviously there's a typo error in the sentence " You can cherry pick..." and it should be. "You cannot cherry pick..."