Why were there no Roman Records Of Jesus?

[brainbomb]

If Jesus was real; why were there no Roman records? The Romans kept meticiulous records of every execution and yet; what do you know : there is no roman record of anyone named Jesus being executed.

[DarthPorg36]

Unfortunately that is objectively not true. Using a quick scroll through wikipedia's article "The Crucifixion of Jesus" there are many references to Jesus in ancient literature. To be fair, wikipedia is not always reliable source, however, I find more often than not Wikipedia is by far the most factual, unbiased source around.

Jesus's crucifixion is recorded in Jewish Historian Josephus's book Antiquities of the Jews which was written in about 93 AD. "Most modern scholars agree that while this Josephus passage (called the Testimonium Flavianum) includes some later interpolations, it originally consisted of an authentic nucleus with a reference to the execution of Jesus by Pilate...there is "broad consensus" among scholars regarding the nature of an authentic reference to the crucifixion of Jesus in the Testimonium."

The article also says "Early in the 2nd century another reference to the crucifixion of Jesus was made by Tacitus, generally considered one of the greatest Roman historians. Writing in The Annals (c. AD 116), Tacitus described the persecution of Christians by Nero and stated (Annals 15.44) that Pilate ordered the execution of Jesus:

'Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.'

Scholars generally consider the Tacitus reference to the execution of Jesus by Pilate to be genuine, and of historical value as an independent Roman source... it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

There are also mentions in some ancient letters (Mara Bar-Serapion), and in accounts considered semi-reliable by scholars like the Jewish Talmud (probably mis-places the date) and Islam's Quran (claims there was actually no crucifixion). You should not also immediately discount the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, as well as the countless letters that make up most of the New Testament, even if you look at this from a secular angle. There is lots of historical truths in them, even if you deny religious significance to them.

In conclusion, "In scholarship on the historical Jesus, the baptism of Jesus and his crucifixion are considered to be the two most certain historical facts about Jesus. Various criteria are used to determine the historicity of the elements of the New Testamentical narratives, and help to establish the crucifixion of Jesus as a historical event. The criterion of embarrassment argues that Christians would not have invented the painful death of their leader. The criterion of multiple attestation is the confirmation by more than one source,including multiple non-Christian sources, and the criterion of coherence argues that it fits with other historical elements." The wikipedia article "Historicity of Jesus" says similar things. "The idea that Jesus was a purely mythical figure has been, and is still, considered an untenable fringe theory in academic scholarship for more than two centuries."

Regardless of your religious views, brainbomb, there is quite a lot of records of Jesus and his execution across many scholarly fields that have held up over time, so your suggestion that Jesus wasn't real is proven objectively false by a quick 15 minute scan of some wikipedia articles.

[CaptainFritz28]

If Jesus was real; why were there no Roman records? The Romans kept meticiulous records of every execution and yet; what do you know : there is no roman record of anyone named Jesus being executed.

Haven't you posted this before, and haven't we debunked this before?

Why repeat it? Why be a troll?

[CaptainFritz28]

Yeah...

https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2354

[Pinecone333]

Not only did he historically live and historically die--he also historically rose from the dead and is still alive today.

[Octavious]

If Jesus was real; why were there no Roman records? The Romans kept meticiulous records of every execution and yet; what do you know : there is no roman record of anyone named Jesus being executed.

They may well have kept records, but 2000 years and the collapse of civilisation can cause a bit of disruption in document management. There are Roman Emperors where the only evidence of their existence is a coin or two. Anyone expecting reliable records of provincial law enforcement to survive would be... it's difficult to find the words to describe it without implying you're an idiot

[Jamiet99uk]

If Jesus was real; why were there no Roman records? The Romans kept meticiulous records of every execution and yet; what do you know : there is no roman record of anyone named Jesus being executed.

Haven't you posted this thread before?

[Jamiet99uk]

You did:

https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2354

Can you stop spamming the forum with the same thread created multiple times?

It's anti-social.

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

You did:

https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2354

Can you stop spamming the forum with the same thread created multiple times?

It's anti-social.

If the search feature worked we could count how many times you've told users to "fuck off" in 2025 alone. This thread is silly, but it's hardly the main source of "anti-social" behaviour on the forum

[Jamiet99uk]

Fuck off, Bert