Here, I agree with you. OG Marxism is the best form of government, hands-down no contest, if it worked. The issue, like HangingRook also touched on, is that Marxism hasn't ever happened for a reason - it can't function as a government. It either devolves into a dictatorship or anarchy, and both quickly devolve into oppression of the masses by said government (Soviet Union), or whichever gang gets enough power (Haiti) (Yes, I know, not communist, but good example of Anarchy).Wusti wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:48 amYou also need to draw a distinction between Marxism, Communism, Lenin and Stalinism and don't forget Maoism. Which strain is being referred to here?
I would say that the Marxist creed as originally expressed by good old Karl, is an admirable moral stance for organising an economy. We haven't seen a single instance of it yet.
The others don't work. Leninism and Stalinism (especially the second) resulted in a lot, a lot, a lot, of deaths. This is what I think CF was touching on. The Holodomor and Gulags along killed so so so many people, deemed enemies of the state. Maoism did something similar, and basically inadvertently starved a large portion of China.
No wonder a large portion of people consider Joseph Stalin the 2nd worst human being to ever walk the earth.
I'd like you to name me one country that has actually benefitting the working class people in the end by converting to communism, of any form.
Capitalism (with some government oversight) has flaws, yes, but it is easily the least bad economic system.