Spring 2018 Champions League

[ghug]

But then they'll all have an equal number of yellow cards.

[MadMarx]

Hey Claesar, what happens if there is a 3-way tie and none of the tiebreakers can break it?

Current (i.e. latest) 1v1 GR breaks the unbreakable tie?

[CptMike]

Hey Claesar, what happens if there is a 3-way tie and none of the tiebreakers can break it?

They are selected by alphabetic order...






Hmmm...
What about _________ and ! ?
Who comes first ?

[goldfinger0303]

Hey Claesar, what happens if there is a 3-way tie and none of the tiebreakers can break it?

Current (i.e. latest) 1v1 GR breaks the unbreakable tie?

I feel like bringing in non-tournament factors is a bad thing. What about three tiebreak games? Though that could be messy too, if everyone won one.

[cspieker]

...only if everyone won as Austria (or France), which could easily happen I guess. Anyone know the A vs F breakdown in this current league so far?

[CptMike]

...only if everyone won as Austria (or France), which could easily happen I guess. Anyone know the A vs F breakdown in this current league so far?

I think that global stat's have no meaning.
Results of AvF depend much on the player and even the couple of players.

[mhsmith0]

I'd say that Austria has an advantage even at a high level
But the high level players game advantage is much lower than the newer players advantage

[mhsmith0]

I think a really big Austrian advantage is that you have a very realistic chance to just flat-out win the game on the first turn

Open Porcupine against Belgian Waffle
Open Anti-Alpine against any move to Pie
You're just gonna win a LOT of the time.

Open Anti-Alpine against Belgian Waffle (probably the traditional outcome)
you're probably ballpark 50-50, maaaybe a small underdog

Open Porcupine against any move to Pie
You're gonna lose a LOT of the time

Open Italian
probably a mild favorite against either primary French opening (though I wouldn't absolutely swear to it)

[cspieker]

I don't know the cute names.

If Austria opens Bud-Tri, Vie-Tyr, Tri-Alb, then gets into Pie Spr '02 (which can be forced), then the game is won/lost in Fall '02 with the Marseilles guessing game.

Austria takes Marseilles Fall '02, Austria has won
France occupies Marseilles in Fall '02 (and thus can't build there), Austria has very likely won
Marseilles stays open for French build, game on.

[Claesar]

Okay, I've scoured everyone's profiles for the results and dumped them into Sheets:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Please check these swiftly or lose the right to correct my errors. PM me with corrections.

I need two more games to wrap up quickly before I lose it.
Cspieker and Goldfinger0303, please start one tiebreaker game to decide who's first .

Text-based dump of the tables:
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 cspieker 12 3 6 3
2 CCR 10 3 4 3
3 Chupacabra 1 0 1 0
4 goldfinger0303 12 3 3 6
Group B
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 mhsmith0 15 3 6 6
2 michaelf77 9 3 6 0
3 teacher2 0 0 0 0
4 garagenpunk 12 0 6 6
Group C
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 MadMarx 18 6 6 6
2 snowy801 DQ 0 0 0
3 svkris DQ 0 0 0
4 Favio 12 0 6 6
Group D
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 RoganJosh 11 4 3 4
2 Ezio 7 1 3 3
3 SpaceDip 9 3 3 3
4 FM Roark 7 1 3 3
Group E
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 xorxes 18 6 6 6
2 badivan1 9+ 0 3+ 6
3 Foxcastle 6+ 0 0+ 6
4 DRFrazier99 DQ 0 0 0
Group F
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 dipperjay 10 3 6 1
2 bozotheclown 13 3 6 4
3 raiku770 0 0 0 0
4 rdrivera2005 11 4 1 6
Group G
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 CptMike 13 4 3 6
2 brkyzgn 7+ 1 3 3+
3 swordsman3003 9 3 3 3
4 glo2018 3 0 0+ 3
Group H
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 genghiz 15 6 6 3
2 _______ DQ 0 0 0
3 josemurc 12 0 6 6
4 Roadhog 9 3 6 0

[Claesar]

We have one correction in Group D (changed in Sheets):
PlayerID Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 RoganJosh 11 4 3 4
2 Ezio 4 1 3 0
3 SpaceDip 9 3 3 3
4 FM Roark 10 1 6 3

[mhsmith0]

I don't know the cute names.

If Austria opens Bud-Tri, Vie-Tyr, Tri-Alb, then gets into Pie Spr '02 (which can be forced), then the game is won/lost in Fall '02 with the Marseilles guessing game.

Austria takes Marseilles Fall '02, Austria has won
France occupies Marseilles in Fall '02 (and thus can't build there), Austria has very likely won
Marseilles stays open for French build, game on.

Basically if France doesn't occupy Pie, and Austria leaves Venice alone in 1901, Austria has a major edge (Porcupine is Ven->Alb, Vie-> Tyr, Bud->Gal or Rum), since Austria can make strong use of its fleet potentially threatening MAO (which wins the game outright) or completely freeing up its other units to push harder in Germany or Scandinavia
Similarly, if France DOES occupy Pie, and Austria plays Tri-Ven, Austria will be +1 and should just roll it up

Moreover, if Austria opens Tri-Ven and France leaves Pie alone, then it's about even odds the rest of the way (I think)

And yeah I'd say that the outcome you suggest (Bud-Tri, Vie-Tyr, Tri-Alb is "Italian Opening" fwiw) is useful enough to make Austria a favorite using that opening against the standard French opening (leaving Pie alone) and probably also a favorite when France goes for Pie instead.

[Claesar]

The elimination stage of the game will be paired as such, according to HR:
"A1 vs H2
B1 vs G2
C1 vs F2
D1 vs E2

And so on. Stops group stage players meeting again before the Final."

Don't start your games yet though.

[SpaceDip]

We have one correction in Group D (changed in Sheets):
PlayerID Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 RoganJosh 11 4 3 4
2 Ezio 4 1 3 0
3 SpaceDip 9 3 3 3
4 FM Roark 10 1 6 3

Ezio, I hate you.

[rdrivera2005]

The elimination stage of the game will be paired as such, according to HR:
"A1 vs H2
B1 vs G2
C1 vs F2
D1 vs E2

And so on. Stops group stage players meeting again before the Final."

Don't start your games yet though.

Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike

[MadMarx]

Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike

rd, this is the forum, a sense of humor is not allowed, it’s considered rude!!

[CptMike]

Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike

It is my pleasure to give you advices or to discuss tactical moves with you in pm or on discord server. It is not 100 % fair-play but no holds barred with Mark.

[rdrivera2005]

Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike

rd, this is the forum, a sense of humor is not allowed, it’s considered rude!!

But it was not a joke...

[MadMarx]

Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike

It is my pleasure to give you advices or to discuss tactical moves with you in pm or on discord server. It is not 100 % fair-play but no holds barred with Mark.

Ohhhh, I am soooo going to roast you in my Elephant thread, as soon as I get a little time, no exaggeration will be too great!!

[CptMike]

Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike

It is my pleasure to give you advices or to discuss tactical moves with you in pm or on discord server. It is not 100 % fair-play but no holds barred with Mark.

Ohhhh, I am soooo going to roast you in my Elephant thread, as soon as I get a little time, no exaggeration will be too great!!

"Let's make Arcadia weep again."