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by orathaic
Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:39 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

No, I mean people who are worried about ethnic cleansing in Gaza must have been listening to the rethoric of those in charge. Aka, there is a difference between a politician and a minister. Edit: I don't say anything about the millions of Israelis whonot only disagree with the government's action,bu...
by orathaic
Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:51 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

AN ISRAELI MINISTER has today called for the return of Jewish settlers to Gaza and said Palestinians should be encouraged to emigrate, a day after similar remarks by another far-right politician.
Src: Agence France-Presse
by orathaic
Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:20 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

https://x.com/alijla2021/status/1736152240316899399 This distinction is reflected in the statistics: 37% of Gaza residents disagreed with the actions taken on 7th October. Yet, a majority—56%—believe that armed struggle is the only path to an independent Palestinian state and the end of the occupat...
by orathaic
Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:17 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

https://www.lpj.org/posts/gaza-16th-december-2023.html?s_cat=1102
by orathaic
Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:46 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

https://x.com/alijla2021/status/1736152240316899399 This distinction is reflected in the statistics: 37% of Gaza residents disagreed with the actions taken on 7th October. Yet, a majority—56%—believe that armed struggle is the only path to an independent Palestinian state and the end of the occupati...
by orathaic
Fri Dec 08, 2023 5:05 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

In what universe is that the question? How on earth are you managing to frame the Gaza conflict as an Israeli plot to claim additional real estate? What this is about from Israel's perspective, what this is very obviously about, is Israel's ability to live without the very real and perpetual threat...
by orathaic
Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:22 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

Great example of ethnic cleansing. The question is whether the current Israeli government intends to allow settlers take over large deaths of Gaza after the bombardment ends. Whether, like in East Jerusalem, people are being removed from their homes to be replaced based on ethnicity. They are curren...
by orathaic
Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:27 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

I hate the settler movement too by the way, so do many Israelis - in this instance, I agree what Israel's government has allowed to happen is indefensible. This much we agree on. I don't think I have made statements about what most Israelis think or claimed they are responsible for the actions of t...
by orathaic
Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:33 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

I hate the settler movement too by the way, so do many Israelis - in this instance, I agree what Israel's government has allowed to happen is indefensible. This much we agree on. I don't think I have made statements about what most Israelis think or claimed they are responsible for the actions of t...
by orathaic
Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:30 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

So I don't see why you would default to assuming Gazans will live there after the IDF pulls out (when many no longer have homes, or the resources to rebuild those homes). This is a reasonable default assumption. It is wildly implausible that hundreds of thousands of Gazans will be permanently displ...
by orathaic
Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:25 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

Well the only evidence I have so far is the removal of people from their homes, the destruction of those homes, and the illegal settlements in the West Bank (along with previously removed illegal settlements in Gaza). So given the history and the current evidence, I am making the claim that this is ...
by orathaic
Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:09 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

I can't see how this is not what Jamie predicted: https://www.thejournal.ie/israeli-troops-gaza-un-khan-yunis-6240561-Dec2023/ IDF moving south, tells Gazans to move, nowhere left to go? Ethnic cleansing by any other name. They might not be 'moving everyone into a grave' but removing them from their...
by orathaic
Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:10 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

I haven't seen anything about it. What about the US growing a spine and questioning its unlimited support for Israel? https://youtu.be/Tmq8Tx6qApw You haven't heard anything about the ceasefire ending? That seems like really big news... No, i am aware superficially that a ceasefire happened and end...
by orathaic
Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:42 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

I haven't seen anything about it.

What about the US growing a spine and questioning its unlimited support for Israel?
https://youtu.be/Tmq8Tx6qApw
by orathaic
Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:09 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

Meanwhile in Sudan: https://x.com/DrKarimWafa/status/1729502247208304987?s=20 Maybe we could start a new politics thread on this topic, which in my view is objectively more important than the current Israel-Palestine conflict. We could, but this thread is the "war, what is it good for" thread, whic...
by orathaic
Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:09 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

Meanwhile in Sudan: https://x.com/DrKarimWafa/status/1729502247208304987?s=20
by orathaic
Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:01 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

We can all be wrong about things. I think it is only in being willing to recognise where we are wrong that we can learn I couldn't agree more, and I very much share Bert's curiosity regarding what lesson you have taken I have learned that sharing things without comment will lead people to believe t...
by orathaic
Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:00 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

Thank you for the explanation. It seems, then, that the collapse that Orathaic describes would not be so much a collapse as a standard transition of government? Standard transition in functioning democracies is for the government to serve a full term, organise an election, and act in a care taker r...
by orathaic
Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:45 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

Egypt wants next to nothing to do with it. They have the Muslim brotherhood, their equivalent to Hamas, and I think they had a cue to remove them from power, because their military would rather just not. Peace over fighting a war for the Muslim Brotherhood and democracy. Jordan has an issue that a m...
by orathaic
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:54 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: War, what is it good for?
Replies: 985
Views: 87563

Re: War, what is it good for?

We can all be wrong about things. I think it is only in being willing to recognise where we are wrong that we can learn. I still think indiscrimate bombing of civilians is bad. And if Israel decides to occupy Gaza for years or decades then it will result in a lot more Israeli casualties as insurgenc...