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Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by orathaic » Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:13 pm

Tres amusant

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by flash2015 » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:35 pm

Reducing porn addiction in society requires a multi-faceted approach that addresses both the individual and societal factors that contribute to its development. Here are some strategies that can be effective in reducing porn addiction:

Education: Providing education and resources on the harmful effects of excessive porn consumption can help individuals understand the potential consequences of their behavior. This education should be comprehensive and accessible to individuals of all ages.

Access to support: Creating access to support for individuals struggling with porn addiction can help them overcome their addiction and find healthy, respectful ways to express their sexuality. This support can include individual or group therapy, peer support groups, or online resources.

Addressing root causes: Porn addiction can often be a symptom of deeper issues, such as trauma, anxiety, or depression. Addressing these root causes through therapy and other forms of mental health treatment can help individuals overcome their addiction to porn.

Regulation of the porn industry: The porn industry can contribute to the development of porn addiction by promoting unrealistic and harmful portrayals of sexuality. Regulating the industry to ensure that it is not exploiting performers or promoting harmful depictions of sexual behavior can help reduce the negative impact of porn on society.

Encouraging healthy and respectful forms of sexuality: Society should promote healthy and respectful forms of sexuality, including open and honest communication in relationships and access to comprehensive sexual health education.

In conclusion, reducing porn addiction in society requires a holistic approach that addresses both individual and societal factors. This approach should include education, access to support, addressing root causes, regulation of the porn industry, and promoting healthy and respectful forms of sexuality.

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by flash2015 » Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:30 pm

Banning all forms of pornography can have a number of harmful effects on individuals and society as a whole. Here are some of the key ways that a ban on porn could be harmful:

Restriction of freedom of speech and expression: Pornography is a form of speech and expression that is protected by the First Amendment in the United States and similar laws in other countries. Banning all porn would infringe upon individuals' right to free speech and expression.

Infringement on privacy rights: In many countries, porn consumption is a private matter that should not be subject to government regulation. Banning porn would infringe upon individuals' right to privacy and would likely require the government to monitor citizens' online behavior.

Black market: If porn were banned, it is likely that a black market for it would emerge, leading to even more dangerous and unregulated forms of porn. This could lead to even greater exploitation of performers and others involved in the production of porn.

Lack of education: Pornography can serve as a source of sexual education for many individuals, especially for those who do not have access to comprehensive sexual health education. Banning all porn would limit access to this information and could lead to a lack of education and understanding about sexual health and relationships.

Driving porn underground: Banning porn would drive it underground, making it more difficult to regulate and monitor. This could lead to an increase in illegal and harmful forms of porn, such as child pornography.

In conclusion, while it is important to address the negative impacts that porn can have on individuals and relationships, a blanket ban on all porn is not the solution. Such a ban would infringe upon individuals' rights, drive porn underground, and potentially lead to even greater harm. Instead, efforts should be focused on promoting healthy and respectful forms of sexual expression and addressing the root causes of exploitation in the porn industry.

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Trigfea63 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:50 am

Is this your essay or ChatGPT's?

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Fluminator » Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:07 am

Pornography addiction is a growing concern in society and has been linked to a number of negative outcomes that can have significant impacts on individuals and the wider community.

One of the major effects of porn addiction is its impact on mental health. Excessive consumption of pornography can lead to decreased self-esteem, anxiety, and depression. It can also contribute to the development of more serious mental health conditions such as obsessive-compulsive disorder and social anxiety.

Another negative effect of porn addiction is its impact on relationships. Individuals who are addicted to porn may struggle to form and maintain healthy intimate relationships, leading to feelings of loneliness and isolation. Excessive consumption of pornography can also lead to a decrease in sexual satisfaction in relationships and can lead to sexual dysfunctions.

Porn addiction can also have negative effects on an individual's productivity and performance. Individuals who struggle with porn addiction may find it difficult to focus and may experience decreased motivation, leading to lower job performance and decreased productivity.

In addition, porn addiction can also have wider implications for society. The normalization of unrealistic and harmful depictions of sex and sexuality can lead to the objectification of individuals and contribute to toxic societal attitudes towards gender and sexual identity.

In conclusion, porn addiction is a growing concern that can have significant negative impacts on individuals and society. It can lead to decreased mental and physical health, harm to relationships, decreased productivity, and contribute to toxic societal attitudes. It is important for individuals to be aware of the potential consequences of excessive porn consumption and to seek help if they are struggling with an addiction.

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Fluminator » Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:04 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:55 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:19 am
Fluminator wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:58 pm
It seems like porn addiction is a special case because it's ruining society
This is a big claim.

Of all the various issues confronting modern civilisation, porn addiction is "ruining society" in particular? On what basis have you determined this?
Flum hasn't addressed this and I assume he is not going to.
That's a long thing to respond to, give me some time

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by orathaic » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:26 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:55 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:19 am
Fluminator wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:58 pm
It seems like porn addiction is a special case because it's ruining society
This is a big claim.

Of all the various issues confronting modern civilisation, porn addiction is "ruining society" in particular? On what basis have you determined this?
Flum hasn't addressed this and I assume he is not going to.
I guess that is fair.

How do we improve things then when most people don't think it is an issue?

You could have a Sex worker focused discussion (centering their voices) to talk about the needs of workers and how to avoid exploitation in the industry. Maybe a Union.

You could have a Sex education focus, to address the problems i mentioned in my last post. Focusing on parents and what they didn't learn in school/don't want their kids to learn... But changing attitudes is the hardest thing for any educator. How do you go about teaching sex positivity? Apart from engaging with college students in a serious way and asking them what they wish they had been taught at second level.

You could talk about marital breakdown and find out what percentage of breakdown are caused by porn or preventative measures. So like discussing and/or watching porn together, understanding how overuse of any stimulus can affect performance, how to create a safe space for conversations about sex. Is porn addiction a real thing?

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:55 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:19 am
Fluminator wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:58 pm
It seems like porn addiction is a special case because it's ruining society
This is a big claim.

Of all the various issues confronting modern civilisation, porn addiction is "ruining society" in particular? On what basis have you determined this?
Flum hasn't addressed this and I assume he is not going to.

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by orathaic » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:16 am

That is assuming VR does manage to become the next big thing in porn, which I'm not convinced by...

I guess you can argue whether technological progress is a good thing, innovation and what-not. But porn is not war.

Saying the good does not justify the bad is entirely fine, if you argue what the bad is.

Educationally porn is a travesty. People should explicitly learn in school that porn is fantasy, and learning about sex from it is like learning about history from Lord of the Rings. But unfortunately it manages because sex positive educational content is either too hard to come by, or banned from schools.

In this sense porn is filling a vital role it was never meant to, and its ubiquity combined with ease of access is a problem. But that is not porn's fault. There is demand so it gets made, there is little or no demand for educational sexual content so it doesn't get made and ppl watch what exists. (I will say sexplainations with Dr. Lindsey Doe is a great educational resources, and should be made mandatory for all teachers of sex ed to educate themselves...).

So i fault education and unhealthy attitudes towards sex (which guide what educational institutions are able to provide) not porn for this problem. I have yet to see any examples specific to porn which would justify banning it.

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Fluminator » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:49 pm

orathaic wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:05 pm
Randomizer wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:53 pm
Fluminator wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:32 pm
Look, I like freedom, but is there a single good thing the porn industry has ever done ever?
During the recession before the last, porn was one of the few growth industries hiring computer programmers to build the online sites. Most other tech companies were firing employees.
Wasn't Porn also 'blamed' for the victory of VHS over Betamax, and leading other entertainment industry decisions by taking advantage of new technologies? Like i suspect there is a lot more VR porn out there than any other type of VR content.

It can demonstrate and innovate where other industry monoliths are a lot slower to adapt to changes.

I'm not sure how significant this is. But you can do your own research if you want to know more.
Porn does drive growth. The internet took off largely because of porn, and VR will likely only become mainstream once it gets the porn down more.
But that doesn't mean it's a good thing. You could argue war drives technological growth too (which it does) but that doesn't justify war in and of itself

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Fluminator » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:48 pm

Randomizer wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:53 pm
Porn was good enough for former president Trump, who appeared in 3 soft core films and one with Melania before their marriage. He also has acknowledged he slpet with 2 adult film actresses while married.

Trump's grandfather came from Germany to Alaska to start a house of prostitution that became the family fortune. Which kind of explains the family's attitude to women and sex.
Fluminator wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:32 pm
Look, I like freedom, but is there a single good thing the porn industry has ever done ever?
During the recession before the last, porn was one of the few growth industries hiring computer programmers to build the online sites. Most other tech companies were firing employees.
I don't really care for Trump so him liking it isn't a huge selling point to me.
For your second one, I guess that's a positive.

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by orathaic » Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:46 pm

Octavious wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:16 pm
Well, as I starter for 10 I'd say that signs of a degraded society which may be influenced by porn might include an increase in the breakdown of families, falling fertility rates, rising sexual crime, and an increase in mental health issues.

But the extent to which porn has influence over such things, and the magnitude of the changes, is not a well known quantity as far as I'm aware. There are no fixed goalposts
Sometimes i agree with you more than i want to.

Big factors going into fertility rates, like economic changes, urbanisation, and wealth inequality have very little to do with porn consumption.

Breakdown of families may infact be a net positive for society, when it means fewer victims of domestic violence being forced to stay quiet and live with their abuser .

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Octavious » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:16 pm

Well, as I starter for 10 I'd say that signs of a degraded society which may be influenced by porn might include an increase in the breakdown of families, falling fertility rates, rising sexual crime, and an increase in mental health issues.

But the extent to which porn has influence over such things, and the magnitude of the changes, is not a well known quantity as far as I'm aware. There are no fixed goalposts

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by orathaic » Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:21 pm

How do you measure whether society has been ruined or not? What are the issues which porn causes? Is there a clear agree metric before we argue and have the goalposts moved?

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Jamiet99uk » Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:19 am

Fluminator wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:58 pm
It seems like porn addiction is a special case because it's ruining society
This is a big claim.

Of all the various issues confronting modern civilisation, porn addiction is "ruining society" in particular? On what basis have you determined this?

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by orathaic » Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:05 pm

Randomizer wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:53 pm
Fluminator wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:32 pm
Look, I like freedom, but is there a single good thing the porn industry has ever done ever?
During the recession before the last, porn was one of the few growth industries hiring computer programmers to build the online sites. Most other tech companies were firing employees.
Wasn't Porn also 'blamed' for the victory of VHS over Betamax, and leading other entertainment industry decisions by taking advantage of new technologies? Like i suspect there is a lot more VR porn out there than any other type of VR content.

It can demonstrate and innovate where other industry monoliths are a lot slower to adapt to changes.

I'm not sure how significant this is. But you can do your own research if you want to know more.

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by orathaic » Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:01 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:58 pm
Fluminator wrote: I admittedly need to learn more about onlyfans. I know a lot of people say this is the solution to making porn ethical so I'd have to look into it more. Would you be willing to fight with me to make other porn like the site "pornhub" illegal?
Even just recently they were advertising companies that created deepfakes of women who did not consent at all.
It's complicated. Pornhub is just a platform on which other people and companies post porn videos. To my knowledge Pornhub doesn't produce porn, it's just a site where users can post porn videos. So the question is, even if your premise opposing the commercial porn industry is valid (which I'm not sure of), I don't know if Pornhub specifically is the right target for intervention. You're talking as if you think Pornhub *makes* the porn, which I don't think they do.
The issue with Pornhub is that people who make and sell content often find it has been copied and uploaded to this platform, making it much harder for them to make money, except for a few large porn companies who own the content hosting platforms... From a business perspective, it is very hard to argue that pornhub is a good thing, especially for individual creators who are much better served by OnlyFans - though there is a fear there that OF can change their term of service on a whim, banning certain types of content (like tumblr did before dissapearing from significance).

So most creators will try to maintain an audience on other platfroms, like Twitter and tiktok. But for those platforms where selling sexual content is prohibited this can mean having multiple accounts to keep ahead of the inevitable bans.

Basically the work which goes into this kind of sex work and making it profitable would make your head spin. But i follow at least one creator on Twitter who has been able to buy herself a house.

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Randomizer » Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:53 pm

Porn was good enough for former president Trump, who appeared in 3 soft core films and one with Melania before their marriage. He also has acknowledged he slpet with 2 adult film actresses while married.

Trump's grandfather came from Germany to Alaska to start a house of prostitution that became the family fortune. Which kind of explains the family's attitude to women and sex.
Fluminator wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:32 pm
Look, I like freedom, but is there a single good thing the porn industry has ever done ever?
During the recession before the last, porn was one of the few growth industries hiring computer programmers to build the online sites. Most other tech companies were firing employees.

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Fluminator » Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:10 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:58 pm
Fluminator wrote: I admittedly need to learn more about onlyfans. I know a lot of people say this is the solution to making porn ethical so I'd have to look into it more. Would you be willing to fight with me to make other porn like the site "pornhub" illegal?
Even just recently they were advertising companies that created deepfakes of women who did not consent at all.
It's complicated. Pornhub is just a platform on which other people and companies post porn videos. To my knowledge Pornhub doesn't produce porn, it's just a site where users can post porn videos. So the question is, even if your premise opposing the commercial porn industry is valid (which I'm not sure of), I don't know if Pornhub specifically is the right target for intervention. You're talking as if you think Pornhub *makes* the porn, which I don't think they do.
Yeah, it's tough to know what aspect of it to target. I think we all agree the actors are not the correct target, but then do we do the distributors or the people actually producing it.
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:04 pm
Doom427 wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:31 pm
Ok, to engage a bit in this, why not sports? Sports are a lot more normalizezd, hurt their performers A LOT more, encourage more violence, ect. ect...
This is a very good point. Look at boxing and MMA in particular. They both involve significant violence and participants often suffer life-changing injuries. A not insignificant number of boxers have experienced long term brain injuries as a result of their careers.

Should we ban boxing?
FWIW, I'm against boxing as a sport too and refuse to support it. I've recently heard a lot about American football being worse than initially thought, but I haven't looked into the science of that one yet.
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:16 pm
Fluminator wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:58 pm

I can explain more about pimps in a bit. If you want an example of a recent one that was just arrested, you can look at Andrew Tate and lose faith in humanity.
Andrew Tate is a vile human being who should be thrown into a deep hole. That I can agree with.

However I'm not sure I can accept the argument that because some people have been trafficked and forced to appear in porn videos under duress, therefore all porn should be banned. I can give you multiple examples of groups of men from North Africa and Eastern Europe being trafficked to the UK and other western countries and forced to work in restaurant kitchens and the construction industry. Does this mean that restaurants and construction should be banned?

You might accuse me of whataboutery here, but one of your key arguments for banning porn is because it would combat human trafficking. The number of people trafficked to provide forced labour is estimated to be three or four times greater than the number of people trafficked for sex-related work (I can provide a source for that estimate if required).

Porn and sex work are easy targets because of the social stigma attached to them. But if your primary concern is actually to stop trafficking, it's worth understanding that sex work / porn is not the main driver of human trafficking.
Trafficking behind the porn industry is just one aspect of it being bad. For the other slave labour, I'm open to hearing methods to stop those too.
It seems like porn addiction is a special case because it's ruining society and the minds of so many young people. People talk about how we need to teach boys not to sexualize women, yet we're totally okay with them watching content that does explicitly that?
I'm not saying people here who jack off to porn every day are messed up, I think a large factor being we grew up without the internet and didn't have easy access to it when our minds were developing.
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:18 pm
An interesting question for Flum:

Why did you decide to make this thread about *porn*, specifically, rather than *sex work* ?
I made this thread after hearing the deepfake porn scandal where a company would make deepfakes of different women without their consent, and I am just so over the porn industry existing and being lauded as a good thing.

Re: Is it time to make Porn illegal

by Jamiet99uk » Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:18 pm

An interesting question for Flum:

Why did you decide to make this thread about *porn*, specifically, rather than *sex work* ?

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