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Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by worcej » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:26 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:55 am
 You're right Worcej, sorry to call you names. I was angry.
It's all good - I understand the passion you have about this topic and the feeling that my opinion may be against abortion.

I want you to understand I want legal safe abortions for every woman in this country, which should be established with a federal law that explicitly states the timeframe on when the ability to choose to have one ends and what exceptions there are to this timeframe.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by Fluminator » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:35 pm

To be clear, I understand Jamiet being upset about abortion, I just have no idea why he's calling me and worcej sexist names for mocking a stupid American article about it.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by Fluminator » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:11 pm

I just shared that article because I was shocked it was real and that someone actually wrote it as a response to what was going on.

I have no idea what Jamiet is freaking out about, but that's pretty normal of him.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:55 am

You're right Worcej, sorry to call you names. I was angry.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by worcej » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:25 am

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:14 am
 I think we have established this is not a dialogue in which I think joking is appropriate.
Then take a break.

Again: no one here is against you on this issue.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:14 am

I think we have established this is not a dialogue in which I think joking is appropriate.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by worcej » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:12 am

God damn Jamie, take a fucking joke.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:05 am

worcej wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:01 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:49 pm
flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:39 pm
 I think we can overstate the importance of this decision. This doesn't ban abortion in any way shape or form. All it does is not stop states from banning abortion.
Ok so here I am reading this.

Fuck the states. They should be stopped from banning abortion. Abortion is healthcare. Abortion is a human right.

If you constitution does not guarantee basic health care, if your constitution does not support the human rights of women, then you know what? FUCK YOUR CONSTITUTION until it is amended to provide for these basic protections.

Jesus Christ your country is so fucking backward.
This is also an interesting take in a way.

You say fuck the states? State government is actually the most representative of a cultural group and would be the best representation of a geographical areas opinion on an issue. This is why the 10th Amendment exists honestly. On topic: Unfortunately, the states banning abortions are pretty consistent in regards to the public voting those lawmakers in and supporting them and continuing to embrace that policy. The majority is getting what they want in this regard, which is what democracy is all about.

However, Jamie thinks these are evil and should go fuck themselves. He thinks these people need to behave how Jamie thinks they should. They need to be brought up to his standards.

Jamie is tyranny. QED.
So let's be clear:

1. If the majority of voters in Texas voted to ban homosexual sex, would that be okay?

2. If the majority of voters in Utah voted to round up the Jews and place them in a concentration camp, would that be fine?

3. If the majority of voters in New York voted to completely ban personal handgun ownership, would you find that acceptable?

4. If the majority of people in Florida voted to reintroduce negro slavery, would that be alright?

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:01 am

worcej wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:55 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:49 pm
flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:39 pm
 I think we can overstate the importance of this decision. This doesn't ban abortion in any way shape or form. All it does is not stop states from banning abortion.
Ok so here I am reading this.

Fuck the states. They should be stopped from banning abortion. Abortion is healthcare. Abortion is a human right.

If you constitution does not guarantee basic health care, if your constitution does not support the human rights of women, then you know what? FUCK YOUR CONSTITUTION until it is amended to provide for these basic protections.

Jesus Christ your country is so fucking backward.
This is rich coming from the Brit whose country was so ass backwards that we rebelled from it originally lol...
A lot of time has passed, and the original pilgrims were fucking lunatics, let's be honest.

We made abortion a legal right in the 1960s.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by worcej » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:01 am

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:49 pm
flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:39 pm
 I think we can overstate the importance of this decision. This doesn't ban abortion in any way shape or form. All it does is not stop states from banning abortion.
Ok so here I am reading this.

Fuck the states. They should be stopped from banning abortion. Abortion is healthcare. Abortion is a human right.

If you constitution does not guarantee basic health care, if your constitution does not support the human rights of women, then you know what? FUCK YOUR CONSTITUTION until it is amended to provide for these basic protections.

Jesus Christ your country is so fucking backward.
This is also an interesting take in a way.

You say fuck the states? State government is actually the most representative of a cultural group and would be the best representation of a geographical areas opinion on an issue. This is why the 10th Amendment exists honestly. On topic: Unfortunately, the states banning abortions are pretty consistent in regards to the public voting those lawmakers in and supporting them and continuing to embrace that policy. The majority is getting what they want in this regard, which is what democracy is all about.

However, Jamie thinks these are evil and should go fuck themselves. He thinks these people need to behave how Jamie thinks they should. They need to be brought up to his standards.

Jamie is tyranny. QED.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by worcej » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:56 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:51 pm
 What a fucking fucked-up country where a few hundred members of some local hat-weavers guild can vote to ban human rights for tens of thousands of people.

Fuck that system.
Sounds like you hate representative democracies...

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by worcej » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:55 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:49 pm
flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:39 pm
 I think we can overstate the importance of this decision. This doesn't ban abortion in any way shape or form. All it does is not stop states from banning abortion.
Ok so here I am reading this.

Fuck the states. They should be stopped from banning abortion. Abortion is healthcare. Abortion is a human right.

If you constitution does not guarantee basic health care, if your constitution does not support the human rights of women, then you know what? FUCK YOUR CONSTITUTION until it is amended to provide for these basic protections.

Jesus Christ your country is so fucking backward.
This is rich coming from the Brit whose country was so ass backwards that we rebelled from it originally lol...

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by worcej » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:54 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:47 pm
worcej wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:44 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:42 pm

It's your fucked up country.

You tell me what's wrong.

Why has your nation recently sent women's rights back 50 years?
SCOTUS actually fixed the original mistake, as what flash already described to you.

Did you read and understand that? You'd have less questions if you did.
They have removed the main nation-wide protection for the right of abortion.

Thousands of women will suffer as a result

If you think that's fixed anything, I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you.

What is being done to actually fix things? What are you doing? How long will it take? How many women will suffer and die in the meantime?
What is being done to actually fix things?
Hopefully Democrats take the opportunity to push forward with legislation to enact a federal law like your country did.

What are you doing?
Engaging in political discourse in a non-spiteful manner and understanding that this topic is important to many people and there is a lot of passion regarding people's opinions.

How long will it take?
I don't know, we've lost 50 years of time to come to a political resolution on this issue.

How many women will suffer and die in the meantime?
I mean, probably less than the amount of people who are suffering due to the economic turmoil in the USA or even the war in Ukraine or even due to COVID in Africa. This seems like a red-herring question to drive guilt more than dialogue.

I don't think you understand how negative Roe was in terms of actually resolving the issue in terms of public opinion. Unlike your country, and many others in the world, the ability for the public to settle the discussion was removed too early in the process and has been in this weird void of interpretation since Roe (cannot ban abortion) and Casey (cannot create 'unnecessary burden') were ruled upon.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:51 pm

What a fucking fucked-up country where a few hundred members of some local hat-weavers guild can vote to ban human rights for tens of thousands of people.

Fuck that system.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:49 pm

flash2015 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:39 pm
 I think we can overstate the importance of this decision. This doesn't ban abortion in any way shape or form. All it does is not stop states from banning abortion.
Ok so here I am reading this.

Fuck the states. They should be stopped from banning abortion. Abortion is healthcare. Abortion is a human right.

If you constitution does not guarantee basic health care, if your constitution does not support the human rights of women, then you know what? FUCK YOUR CONSTITUTION until it is amended to provide for these basic protections.

Jesus Christ your country is so fucking backward.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by worcej » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:47 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:27 pm
 Flum has shown how much of a fucking asshole he is for a long time. He enjoys upsetting people because he's a fucking sociopath or something. I'd take a look under his patio at some point if I was his local police force.

Worcej, you used to strike me as a good guy. We used to get on. We co-GM'ed together. I'm sorry, but you don't strike me as such a nice person anymore. I think your gun love has turned you sour.
I've always been a right-leaning independent, which in terms of the whole spectrum puts a vast ocean between us in regards to political opinions.

My political opinion should not influence you to think less of me simply because we disagree on guns and I am not as angry/passionate as you're displaying in this forum.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:47 pm

worcej wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:44 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:42 pm
worcej wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:40 pm
 Yep, so why hasn't it been done Jamie?
It's your fucked up country.

You tell me what's wrong.

Why has your nation recently sent women's rights back 50 years?
SCOTUS actually fixed the original mistake, as what flash already described to you.

Did you read and understand that? You'd have less questions if you did.
They have removed the main nation-wide protection for the right of abortion.

Thousands of women will suffer as a result

If you think that's fixed anything, I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you.

What is being done to actually fix things? What are you doing? How long will it take? How many women will suffer and die in the meantime?

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by worcej » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:44 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:42 pm
worcej wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:40 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:37 pm

Except your Supreme Court recently literally ruled that there was no "constitutional right" to abortion.

The constitution has been amended many, many times, so there's a fucking solution if your fucked up nation actually wanted it. Amendment number XX, right to abortion. Solved.
Yep, so why hasn't it been done Jamie?
It's your fucked up country.

You tell me what's wrong.

Why has your nation recently sent women's rights back 50 years?
SCOTUS actually fixed the original mistake, as what flash already described to you.

Did you read and understand that? You'd have less questions if you did.

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:42 pm

worcej wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:40 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:37 pm
worcej wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:29 pm
 No one argued against this Jamie.
Except your Supreme Court recently literally ruled that there was no "constitutional right" to abortion.

The constitution has been amended many, many times, so there's a fucking solution if your fucked up nation actually wanted it. Amendment number XX, right to abortion. Solved.
Yep, so why hasn't it been done Jamie?
It's your fucked up country.

You tell me what's wrong.

Why has your nation recently sent women's rights back 50 years?

Re: Roe v. Wade SCOTUS Opinion leak confirmed

by worcej » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:40 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:37 pm
worcej wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:29 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:28 pm
 I don't care who passes the law.

Your country doesn't have a law protecting the right to abortion.

It should.

It doesn't.

That's your country's fault.
No one argued against this Jamie.
Except your Supreme Court recently literally ruled that there was no "constitutional right" to abortion.

The constitution has been amended many, many times, so there's a fucking solution if your fucked up nation actually wanted it. Amendment number XX, right to abortion. Solved.
Yep, so why hasn't it been done Jamie?

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