XX Questions - Game XCVII

by **dargorygel** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:43 pm

The Ministry of Silly Posts will be paying some of you a visit.

by **damo666** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:40 am

If the parrot was a duck I'd have cried FOWL.

by **DougJoe** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:14 pm

JECE wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:33 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:19 pm
Big Red Dogs are not a real breed of dog
And yet they are not a fictional breed of dog either.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:19 pm
You'll be hearing from my solicitor.
Listen, I didn't want to host twenty questions. I wanted to be a lumberjack.

You're a lumberjack and you're okay.

by **Jamiet99uk** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:57 pm

JECE wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:33 pm
Listen, I didn't want to host twenty questions. I wanted to be a lumberjack.

A lumberjack!
Leaping from tree to tree
As they float down the mighty rivers of British Columbia
The giant redwood
The larch
The fir
The mighty Scots pine!
The lofty flowering cherry
The plucky little aspen
The limping Roo tree of Nigeria
The towering Wattle of Aldershot
The Maidenhead Weeping Water Plant
The naughty Leicestershire Flashing Oak
The flatulent Elm of West Ruislip
The Quercus Maximus Bamber Gascoigni
The Epigillus
The Barter Hughius Greenus!
With my best buddy by my side
We'd sing, sing, sing!!

by **JECE** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:33 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:19 pm
Big Red Dogs are not a real breed of dog

And yet they are not a fictional breed of dog either.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:19 pm
You'll be hearing from my solicitor.

Listen, I didn't want to host twenty questions. I wanted to be a lumberjack.

by **Jamiet99uk** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:19 pm

The nuance you are missing there is "broadly", which I went to great pains to emphasise.

It's broadly a fucking parrot which very clearly is broadly a real type of animal.

Big Red Dogs are not a real breed of dog but Clifford represents a dog.

You'll be hearing from my solicitor.

by **JECE** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:11 pm

DougJoe wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:17 pm
I've never seen _And Now For Something Completely Different_ (puts on to-do list)

It's on my list too! I've only seen clips on-line.

DougJoe wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:17 pm
if I'm being completely honest, even when watching the sketch in the past I never thought about the Norwegian Blue being a "fake" species of bird because there's a shload of bird species out there and I always figured it was just one I'd never heard of

That's pretty funny, ha ha. I think that the irony of describing a tropical bird as originating in Norway was supposed to give it away.

DougJoe wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:17 pm
...but, in retrospect the original question was:

Is this fictional creature a fictional representation of a real type of creature?

...and I personally would have answered Yes. It is a fictional (non-existing species) representation of a real parrot.

Oh, I'm sorry. I have a cold.

I guess that technically the word "fictional" was used twice, so an affirmative answer could have meant that 'yes, the fictional dead parrot is the fictional Norwegian Blue type of parrot'. But that is not what Jamiet99uk meant to ask if you consider how the question was rephrased: "Does this fictional creature broadly represent real type of creature (even if not an accurate representation of what that creature is really like)?"

by **DougJoe** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:17 pm

Palin losing it at Cleese's "PINING FOR THE FJORDS?!?!" is one of my favorite things ever.

I thought about the Python movies (the Black Beast of Arrgh from Holy Grail was on my list at one point) but couldn't work back to TV. I've never seen _And Now For Something Completely Different_ (puts on to-do list) so I didn't think of that. I got JECE's stuff about the animal question, but I honestly couldn't think of a character that was a real non-fantasy animal and yet a non-real species (and, if I'm being completely honest, even when watching the sketch in the past I never thought about the Norwegian Blue being a "fake" species of bird because there's a shload of bird species out there and I always figured it was just one I'd never heard of.)

...but, in retrospect the original question was:

Is this fictional creature a fictional representation of a real type of creature?

...and I personally would have answered Yes. It is a fictional (non-existing species) representation of a real parrot.

by **han-shahanshah** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:54 pm

Jamie, I'm on JECE's side here. The parrot can be interpreted both ways.

by **JECE** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:19 pm

As far as I could tell, Clifford the Big Red Dog is not assigned a fictional breed. I actually tried to look that up before replying. My Little Ponies are obviously not of a fictional breed or species either. You went to great lengths to narrow it down but did not address the specific conundrum I faced. Somebody would have cried foul if I had said 'yes' since Norwegian Blues are not real. Somebody would have cried foul if I had said 'no' since parrots are real.

by **Jamiet99uk** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:41 pm

JECE wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:06 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:00 pm

JECE wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:49 pm

I don't think that I can answer this question either without caveats.
FOUL.

You could have answered this question "yes".

It is a parrot.

Parrots are a real type of creature.

This response was VERY misleading and I don't think entirely fair.
So you wish to register a complaint? Sorry, we're closing for lunch.

Look, I didn't count that question because it was impossible to answer. Parrots are real creatures, but Norwegian Blues are entirely fictional. I also posted several times in this thread about how you were getting misled by my refusal to answer that question and I even clarified that I could correctly answer that question in both the affirmative and negative. Curiously, your initial reaction was that my non-response "rules out explicitly non-real types of creature such as the Flying Spaghetti Monster, centaurs, mermaids, dragons, manticores, etc", so you were on the right track.

It wasn't impossible to answer because I went to great lengths to provide you with examples to assist your answer - Clifford the Big Red Dog (not a real type of dog, but dogs are real creatures); My Little Ponies (not a real pony, but ponies are real creatures).

I honestly feel that you could have, and should have, answered that question, and in the context of the examples I provided you with, the answer was very obviously "yes".

by **JECE** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:14 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:59 pm
So, the first link clearly refers to the parrot as a he

"There, he moved"

"No he didn't...!

Damn, you're right!

But for the vast majority of the video the parrot is very clearly referred to as an 'it'.

by **JECE** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:06 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:00 pm

JECE wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:49 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:38 pm
Is this fictional creature a fictional representation of a real type of creature?

(For example, a pony is a real type of creature, but the characters from "My Little Pony" are not real).
I don't think that I can answer this question either without caveats.
FOUL.

You could have answered this question "yes".

It is a parrot.

Parrots are a real type of creature.

This response was VERY misleading and I don't think entirely fair.

So you wish to register a complaint? Sorry, we're closing for lunch.

Look, I didn't count that question because it was impossible to answer. Parrots are real creatures, but Norwegian Blues are entirely fictional. I also posted several times in this thread about how you were getting misled by my refusal to answer that question and I even clarified that I could correctly answer that question in both the affirmative and negative. Curiously, your initial reaction was that my non-response "rules out explicitly non-real types of creature such as the Flying Spaghetti Monster, centaurs, mermaids, dragons, manticores, etc", so you were on the right track.

by **Octavious** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:59 pm

So, the first link clearly refers to the parrot as a he

"There, he moved"

"No he didn't...!

As does the second

"He's not dead, squire, he's resting" (around the 2m30s mark)

So clearly the parrot is referred to often as a "he" regardless of which version of the sketch it happens to be.

However, the parrot is also referred to as "Polly", which is a traditional girls name.

Now, you could argue that Polly is a pretty generic parrot name, but you could also argue that "he" in general usage can be used as an alternative to "it", especially to a creature that has only been owned for half an hour and (even if the parrot is considered to be alive) this is too short a time in which to form a more meaningful attachment.

I hate to say it, but I think JECE is justified in his comment regarding the parrot's gender.

It is, however, much harder to argue that the parrot is not a real type of creature

(This is fun

)

by **Jamiet99uk** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:59 pm

I asked you "Does this fictional creature broadly represent a real type of creature (even if not an accurate representation of what that creature is really like)?"

You said you could not answer.

You absolutely could have answered and the only reasonable answer would be yes because it broadly represents a parrot, albeit a dead one, and a parrot is a real type of creature.

You misled us

by **JECE** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:40 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:01 am
FOUL!

The parrot is consistently referred to as 'he' throughout the sketch.

E's gone to meet his maker for instance.

There is no ambiguity regarding gender.

I actually went back and checked:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vZw35VUBdzo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=93jx5MyL1Ww
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xoh8j

Only the obscure movie version uses "he". The others clearly use "it".

by **Jamiet99uk** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:00 pm

JECE wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:49 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:38 pm
Is this fictional creature a fictional representation of a real type of creature?

(For example, a pony is a real type of creature, but the characters from "My Little Pony" are not real).
I don't think that I can answer this question either without caveats.

FOUL.

You could have answered this question "yes".

It is a parrot.

Parrots are a real type of creature.

This response was VERY misleading and I don't think entirely fair.

by **Octavious** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:23 am

Ahhh... I should have read the question rather than relying on Jamie's summary of it on the list

by **Octavious** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:18 am

But parrots are warm blooded

. Warm blooded refers to the creature's metabolic process (be it real or imaginary) and not the physical temperature of the blood at a certain moment in time. Otherwise you would call Robert the Bruce, and any dead person, cold blooded which is ridiculous.

Besides which the parrot wasn't even dead. He moved!

by **damo666** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:01 am

FOUL!

The parrot is consistently referred to as 'he' throughout the sketch.

E's gone to meet his maker for instance.

There is no ambiguity regarding gender.

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