XX Questions, Game LXXVII

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Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by Octavious » Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:24 pm

supi13 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:08 pm
 Well, I'm not convinced with your reasoning, but if that's the way you have played so far, I can go along with it on the basis of precedent.
Win the game and change the rule 😊

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by JECE » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:57 pm

supi13 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:08 pm
 I'm not convinced with your reasoning
It's okay. English can be hard. But we'll get through this together. I promise. :wink:

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by supi13 » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:08 pm

Well, I'm not convinced with your reasoning, but if that's the way you have played so far, I can go along with it on the basis of precedent.

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by Jamiet99uk » Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:10 am

@Supi: This is just a fun little game that we made up amongst ourselves. There is no official governing body. The 20 questions game does not have a legal department that you can write to.

Everyone else, as JECE says, is very clear about the "three final attempts" rule. Hopefully we have now clarified it for you, also.

Thank you.

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by JECE » Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:42 am

supi13 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:17 am
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:30 pm
supi13 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:01 pm
 After 20 questions are up, 3 total guesses are allowed, and one guess per person does not count against the total.
It does after the 20 questions are used up!

Once question 20 has been asked, only three more guesses at the person, in total are allowed.
There is no information that the free guesses suddenly start counting against the total as soon as the 20 are used up. In the absence of such specific information, we must go with what is written, i.e. that the free guesses do not count against the total (whether that total is 20 or 3).
I'm not sure who drafted the rules, but the meaning of the wording is clear to all of us. And this is how we have been playing. You can check the threads from previous threads yourself to see how this rule has affected 'team' strategy.
supi13 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:02 pm
 Anyway, where is it written that free guesses can only be made before 20 questions are up?
You seem to be confusing the word guesses for the word questions. When the rules mention "the total", it is clearly a reference to the "20 questions". Otherwise the sentences would be reversed.

Also consider that the noun total can mean sum ("a product of addition"), which in the context of the first sentence makes more sense than the meaning of amount ("an entire quantity") given that we see the word count in the phrase "does not count against the total". In other words, the first sentence provides instructions on how to add up questions and guesses (each question counts as 1, the first guess per user counts as 0 and additional guesses per user count as 1). The first phrase of the second sentence then clarifies that you stop this counting game after 20 questions, if it weren't already clear to the reader from the title of the game.

The adjective total has definitions that are closer to the meaning of "an entire quantity":
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/total

Granted, the adjective definitions don't quite capture the intended meaning either, but slightly reword the phrase as 'a total of three guesses are allowed' and what do you get? If you substitute total for the word sum, the phrase makes no sense. However, the phrase makes perfect sense if you substitute a total for the words an amount: the 'team' gets only three guesses (no more, no less) once all twenty questions are used up.

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by supi13 » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:17 am

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:30 pm
supi13 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:01 pm
 After 20 questions are up, 3 total guesses are allowed, and one guess per person does not count against the total.
It does after the 20 questions are used up!

Once question 20 has been asked, only three more guesses at the person, in total are allowed.
There is no information that the free guesses suddenly start counting against the total as soon as the 20 are used up. In the absence of such specific information, we must go with what is written, i.e. that the free guesses do not count against the total (whether that total is 20 or 3).

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by Jamiet99uk » Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:30 pm

supi13 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:01 pm
 After 20 questions are up, 3 total guesses are allowed, and one guess per person does not count against the total.
It does after the 20 questions are used up!

Once question 20 has been asked, only three more guesses at the person, in total are allowed.

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by supi13 » Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:02 pm

Anyway, where is it written that free guesses can only be made before 20 questions are up?

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by supi13 » Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:01 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:05 pm
supi13 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:30 pm
 Why would it matter whether 20 questions were up or not? We can make free guesses (one per person) regardless of how many questions were asked or answered.
You're wrong.

After 20 questions, the class gets THREE more guesses, in total.
That's not what the rules say.

"3. One guess per person does not count against the total, but additional guesses by the same person do. After all 20 questions are up, three total guesses are allowed."

After 20 questions are up, 3 total guesses are allowed, and one guess per person does not count against the total.

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by Jamiet99uk » Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:05 pm

supi13 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:30 pm
 Why would it matter whether 20 questions were up or not? We can make free guesses (one per person) regardless of how many questions were asked or answered.
You're wrong.

After 20 questions, the class gets THREE more guesses, in total.

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by Hamish » Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:40 pm

supi13 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:30 pm
 Why would it matter whether 20 questions were up or not? We can make free guesses (one per person) regardless of how many questions were asked or answered.
JECE wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:39 pm
 3. One guess per person does not count against the total, but additional guesses by the same person do. After all 20 questions are up, three total guesses are allowed.
I guess the wording is not airtight, but so far I thought after 20 questions we get 3 more guesses, no more freebies.

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by Hamish » Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:40 pm

JECE wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:08 pm
Hamish wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:39 am
Octavious wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:52 am
 Oh, is it just Don Quixote?
If not Sancho Panza?
Sancho Panza it is!
8-)

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by supi13 » Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:30 pm

Why would it matter whether 20 questions were up or not? We can make free guesses (one per person) regardless of how many questions were asked or answered.

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by JECE » Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:23 pm

Hamish wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:02 am
supi13 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:29 am
 Did any movie with this character win an Academy Award nomination, a Golden Globe nomination or the Saturn award?
Oh, that's the last question?
No more free guesses?
Assuming that you all counted correctly, you would have had one more question, and hence, still had free guesses. I said "fine" to not counting the 2000 question.

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by JECE » Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:20 pm

supi13 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:29 am
 Did any movie with this character win an Academy Award nomination, a Golden Globe nomination or the Saturn award?
I'm glad that I didn't have to look up all of those movies, ha ha

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by JECE » Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:15 pm

Hamish wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:11 am
Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:18 pm
 Does this character spend most of his time fighting Romans?
I'm very interested to hear which originally Spanish, Portuguese or Italian printed medium published stories about a man fighting Romans. :razz:
I can't think of anyone in particular off the top of my head, but Numancia is certainly mythologized in Spain. But yeah, Astérix is a French character, ha ha.

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by JECE » Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:08 pm

Hamish wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:39 am
Octavious wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:52 am
JECE wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:34 am
 Only two questions left, if I'm not mistaken!

Man, I thought that I picked an easy one . . .
Oh, is it just Don Quixote?
If not Sancho Panza?
Sancho Panza it is!

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by dargorygel » Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:57 pm

Is it Gepetto?

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by damo666 » Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:51 pm

If not already guessed...

Lazarrillo de Tormes

Re: XX Questions, Game LXXVII

by Hamish » Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:39 am

Octavious wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:52 am
JECE wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:34 am
 Only two questions left, if I'm not mistaken!

Man, I thought that I picked an easy one . . .
Oh, is it just Don Quixote?
If not Sancho Panza?

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