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Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Doom427 » Sat Oct 01, 2022 2:23 pm

I promise the next person isn't Oxygen.

And I added an attempt of creating that subjective rule.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Szpoti » Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:28 am

Hamish wrote:
Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:04 am


About the library question: I have not been to the public library here in town for the last 6 years, and that was only to get children's books for my kids. The last time I was in a library looking for a book for myself was probably in the early 90's, and even then I was not looking for books about Alan Turing (I was studying Economics at the time), so it was a guess on my part. If you say there are more than one book on Turing in libraries nowadays, I'll take your word for it.
https://b-ok.global/s/Alan%20Turing

I would agree with other voices urging us to limit subjectivity in questions, and perhaps first of all, in answers. I considered Alan Turing and Francis Crick, but quite a few books have been written on both.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Hamish » Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:04 am

Oh wow. I was at a conference yesterday from very early to pretty late, so was away for the whole day. I come back to find a thread full of anecdotes and guesses and almost philosophical musings about Jaws.

Alan Turing was correct! I think it's amazing how you sometimes come up with the right answer when I think you're nowhere near yet.

About the library question: I have not been to the public library here in town for the last 6 years, and that was only to get children's books for my kids. The last time I was in a library looking for a book for myself was probably in the early 90's, and even then I was not looking for books about Alan Turing (I was studying Economics at the time), so it was a guess on my part. If you say there are more than one book on Turing in libraries nowadays, I'll take your word for it.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by VillageIdiot » Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:14 pm

Dr.Bunsen Honeydew?

Oh wait wait no, I think he's still alive and I think he's American.
(and also a Muppet)

Disregard that one. Bad guess.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Octavious » Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:53 pm

Francis Crick?

(apologies all. Working with Egyptian internet and messaging is somewhat jumbled. This one should have been sent some time ago)

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by damo666 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:47 pm

Fenchurch Street?

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Octavious » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:40 pm

quote=Doom427 post_id=316859 time=1664559918 user_id=5341]
Your monopoly example just shows that the rules of that game are bad- your wife won the game by owning every property. The fact you continued to play until running out of money doesn't prove that every game should be played by attempting to follow every rule. It really just shows the opposite- unless your objective is make everyone kill themselves I suppose.
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No, you've misunderstood. She didn't own every property. She owned one of every property set. No houses were built, no hotels were built, and there was no increase in basic rent due to someone owning a set. Nobody came close to running out of money. Everyone made modest incomes every circuit as they passed go, and had plenty of savings for those times when they were unlucky with extra taxes or when they stayed at very reasonably priced properties. No one could win, and no one could lose either. Mrs Oct had created a socialist utopian outcome. Only the trains were expensive... but it was the British version.
Doom427 wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:45 pm
doesn't prove that every game should be played by attempting to follow every rule.
If you think that is what I was trying to prove you have misunderstood extremely badly :lol:

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Octavious » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:08 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:05 pm
This thread is becoming fucking ridiculous.
As it should :-D

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Doom427 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:07 pm

Look, we're just waiting until we find out it was Alan Turing, and then we can get back in track with the best guess the person ever- Oxygen

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Jamiet99uk » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:05 pm

This thread is becoming fucking ridiculous.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Doom427 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:45 pm

Octavious wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:29 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:17 pm
Octavious wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:17 pm


It depends on your point of view, I guess. Is Jaws a film about a shark, or a film about something else that happens to have a shark in it?
If we were playing 20 questions to try to guess a film, and I asked "is it a film about a shark", and you said "NO" and the answer turned out to be Jaws, I would not be very happy.
I believe that to be the case. Many similarly uncultured people experience similar emotions when their limited perceptions are exposed ;) .

If it helps I could provide you with evidence from various established film critics who insist that Jaws isn't about a shark, so such an argument could be made even if it might be perceived as unfair in some circles (and celebrated in others). It very much comes down to how you believe games should be played.

Mrs Oct, in one of her finest moments, once forced the abandonment of a game of Monopoly by owning one of every property and refusing to sell them to anyone even in deals that heavily favoured her. People were forced to make modest incomes, without risk of bankruptcy from over exposure to financial risk, for over an hour before my brother in law lost the will to live and vowed never to play the game again. Magnificent.
These are two unrelated concepts you've mashed together to fail to prove your point.

To say jaws isn't about a shark might be valid, but in a party game like this it's entirely possible to "win" the game by answering questions with specificity. I could have claimed that Joan of Arc is "male" if we understand "male" to be having a male role, or to be taken as a male by others, or to have simply worn male clothes. But I have to answer the questions not with my own understanding, but with the knowledge that I have to answer them such that my fellow players also have the same belief and takeaway as me.

Your monopoly example just shows that the rules of that game are bad- your wife won the game by owning every property. The fact you continued to play until running out of money doesn't prove that every game should be played by attempting to follow every rule. It really just shows the opposite- unless your objective is make everyone kill themselves I suppose.

Which could be a fun objective with the next time I get to be clue master. After all, there's no rule saying I CAN'T argue the element oxygen is actually a person

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Octavious » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:29 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:17 pm
Octavious wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:17 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:35 pm
The contrary view would suggest that a book about the 1970 World Cup Final is not a book about Brazilian international footballers. This would be an absurd attitude.
It depends on your point of view, I guess. Is Jaws a film about a shark, or a film about something else that happens to have a shark in it?
If we were playing 20 questions to try to guess a film, and I asked "is it a film about a shark", and you said "NO" and the answer turned out to be Jaws, I would not be very happy.
I believe that to be the case. Many similarly uncultured people experience similar emotions when their limited perceptions are exposed ;) .

If it helps I could provide you with evidence from various established film critics who insist that Jaws isn't about a shark, so such an argument could be made even if it might be perceived as unfair in some circles (and celebrated in others). It very much comes down to how you believe games should be played.

Mrs Oct, in one of her finest moments, once forced the abandonment of a game of Monopoly by owning one of every property and refusing to sell them to anyone even in deals that heavily favoured her. People were forced to make modest incomes, without risk of bankruptcy from over exposure to financial risk, for over an hour before my brother in law lost the will to live and vowed never to play the game again. Magnificent.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Doom427 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:58 pm

LIkewise a book called "Famous gay scientist" that included a chapter on Turing wouldn't count- he's not the primary subject he's just one of them. The book question was asking "Would a library have multiple biographies? Would a library cover their particular incident if they did an incident multiple times? Are they the main character of a fictional series of books?"

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Doom427 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:56 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:17 pm
Octavious wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:17 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:35 pm
The contrary view would suggest that a book about the 1970 World Cup Final is not a book about Brazilian international footballers. This would be an absurd attitude.
It depends on your point of view, I guess. Is Jaws a film about a shark, or a film about something else that happens to have a shark in it?
If we were playing 20 questions to try to guess a film, and I asked "is it a film about a shark", and you said "NO" and the answer turned out to be Jaws, I would not be very happy.
I mean what Octavius said is stupid, but if we took your definition to mean what the question asks, then no one who is well known enough to Qualify for this game would actually not be counted- everyone should be related to the main subject of a book at some point. But a book about "The Turing Test" isn't about Turing (Though Turing should probably have multiple books b/c he has several bios at my local library- I just felt like throwing a guess out there)

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Sploack » Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:31 pm

Doom427 wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:14 pm
As I'm the main person asking subjective questions, I can stop that. My opinion was that after so many rounds stranger questions would give a more interesting game and provide some variety.

That won't get rid of subjectivitiy obviously (The "are all sport players counted as athletes/sportsmen/ etc.etc.), but would help
Eh, I say keep doing it. It's a game, the point is to have fun.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Jamiet99uk » Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:17 pm

Octavious wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:17 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:35 pm
The contrary view would suggest that a book about the 1970 World Cup Final is not a book about Brazilian international footballers. This would be an absurd attitude.
It depends on your point of view, I guess. Is Jaws a film about a shark, or a film about something else that happens to have a shark in it?
If we were playing 20 questions to try to guess a film, and I asked "is it a film about a shark", and you said "NO" and the answer turned out to be Jaws, I would not be very happy.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Doom427 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:14 pm

As I'm the main person asking subjective questions, I can stop that. My opinion was that after so many rounds stranger questions would give a more interesting game and provide some variety.

That won't get rid of subjectivitiy obviously (The "are all sport players counted as athletes/sportsmen/ etc.etc.), but would help

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Sploack » Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:57 pm

Eh, I would not necessarily consider a book about penicilline as a book about Fleming.

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Octavious » Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:17 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:35 pm
The contrary view would suggest that a book about the 1970 World Cup Final is not a book about Brazilian international footballers. This would be an absurd attitude.
It depends on your point of view, I guess. Is Jaws a film about a shark, or a film about something else that happens to have a shark in it?

Re: 20 Questions - Game 58

by Jamiet99uk » Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:35 pm

The contrary view would suggest that a book about the 1970 World Cup Final is not a book about Brazilian international footballers. This would be an absurd attitude.

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