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by alexintour » Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:00 am
by flash2015 » Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:03 pm
kestasjk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:56 pm Also the GDPR aim/goal that users be able to erase their information is another thing that, like a lot of legislation, seems well intentioned but is full of problems in practice. Would you like games you participated in to be erased because a user wanted his information erased, and for there to be gaps in forum conversations etc? What if it's a multi-accounter that violated the rules and then demands the "right to be forgotten"? If we really wanted we could allow people to erase their data from Analytics, Google provides this functionality as the GDPR requires them to, but how would Google be able to filter out the site-wide Analytics data for the whole site relating to a single user? Well we would need to provide user-identifying information to Analytics so that it can correlate each request to a user, that's the only way Analytics can erase a particular user's information.. but this involves actually providing the very sort of individually-identifiable tracking flags that surely the law was trying to prevent!
Anyway just a bit of a pet peeve I guess.. things were so much simpler in 2005..
by flash2015 » Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:46 pm
kestasjk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:31 pm Mmmm.. Focusing on cookies I can see how people might want to not have Google Analytics or other advertisers track them, but having every website make you accept cookies is a really backwards way to accomplish that.
What you're doing by adding a VPN to your phone, staying secure and alert etc; that seems like the right way to protect your privacy and security. Actual bad actors aren't going to give you a please-can-I-abuse-you banner; they're too small to sue. They'll keep on trying to hijack your browser, add malware / extensions, steal your CC info, ransom your documents, etc..
Sites like Google/Facebook/etc will still collect as much depersonalized data as possible and use what you're searching for to provide relevant ads. Sites like this will still collect data to monitor trends, catch cheaters, develop bots, calculate whether a player is reliable or not, etc. We really don't collect info because we want to spy on you. Ironically if web-hosted information about you actually is used to spy on you it will be because a government agency either demanded it or intercepted it.
I'm not an anti-government zealot, I think some parts of the GDPR are sensible, and I understand the need for regulation of a new industry.. but I do think if you are concerned about your privacy online being compromised by cookies you should set your browser to restrict them. In a world where cookies are outlawed only outlaws will use cookies. (And come on .. it's a piece of text that we ask your browser to repeat on subsequent requests, it's not a GPS tracking device..)
by Jamiet99uk » Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:40 pm
Octavious wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:23 pm I blame Socialism (and the removal of PPSC)... ... and the French ...
by Octavious » Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:23 pm
by Jamiet99uk » Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:29 pm
by kestasjk » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:56 pm
by kestasjk » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:31 pm
flash2015 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:39 pmI take all sorts of counter-measures to reduce my exposure to tracking and ads (cookies aren't the only way - need to screw up the fingerprinting too, if possible). Tor isn't a reasonable everyday driver. I even have a fake VPN (netguard) on my phone to try and block apps sending tracking info out. It is very scary how much info each app sends out. For example pretty much every app you install on your mobile phone will send info to facebook - when you block one URL, they choose another, you block that and it chooses a third. To do this properly, it is a full time job! And even then it is just too easy to screw it up. It is good to have something backed by law giving you some control of your data. Again, I am sure there are lots of things wrong with GDPR...but choosing "the problem is all too hard, let's do nothing" isn't a better option. Given the information asymmetry, without help the average user has no hope of having any real control at all.
by flash2015 » Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:39 pm
kestasjk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:36 am flash2015 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:31 pm orathaic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:06 pm I must say, as a user and EU citizen, this law has negatively affected my experience hugely. Every little website which asks me for permission instead of simply looking at my 'do not track' request (is it in the header sent by firefox?). I would much prefer to tweak the setting once in the browser, and not have to run cookie blocking add ons to forcibly delete cookies which appear to be used for tracking. Anyway I digress. "do not track" has been dead for years. An option to turn off tracking by default was never going to fly. I like what the EU has done. It isn't perfect, but it is a start. Whilst I know there are countermeasures to help reduce tracking, they aren't ideal and it is becoming harder and harder to maintain over time. Allowing consumers explicit choices for tracking and giving consumers options to get their data deleted formally is a good move. But why not set your browser to not accept cookies? You can use incognito mode, or a privacy focused browser that goes through tor, or set cookie policy based on whether it’s session / third-party / etc, or have a whitelist for sites you want to allow if you’re very concerned, or a blacklist for sites you want to deny if you’re less concerned etc. To me it seems like if the Alexa/Google Home/Siri devices started coming out, but instead of letting people decide if they want to buy them or not based on which has the best privacy features instead it’s mandated that every time you want to ask something there’s a mandatory “Please repeat the same command to confirm before we process it.” ; why not leave it to people to decide these things for themselves?
flash2015 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:31 pm orathaic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:06 pm I must say, as a user and EU citizen, this law has negatively affected my experience hugely. Every little website which asks me for permission instead of simply looking at my 'do not track' request (is it in the header sent by firefox?). I would much prefer to tweak the setting once in the browser, and not have to run cookie blocking add ons to forcibly delete cookies which appear to be used for tracking. Anyway I digress. "do not track" has been dead for years. An option to turn off tracking by default was never going to fly. I like what the EU has done. It isn't perfect, but it is a start. Whilst I know there are countermeasures to help reduce tracking, they aren't ideal and it is becoming harder and harder to maintain over time. Allowing consumers explicit choices for tracking and giving consumers options to get their data deleted formally is a good move.
orathaic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:06 pm I must say, as a user and EU citizen, this law has negatively affected my experience hugely. Every little website which asks me for permission instead of simply looking at my 'do not track' request (is it in the header sent by firefox?). I would much prefer to tweak the setting once in the browser, and not have to run cookie blocking add ons to forcibly delete cookies which appear to be used for tracking. Anyway I digress.
by kestasjk » Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:36 am
flash2015 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:31 pm orathaic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:06 pm gimix wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:41 pm And I must say that while as a dev I find all this a bit vexing, as a user I often take the time to fine tune my preferences I must say, as a user and EU citizen, this law has negatively affected my experience hugely. Every little website which asks me for permission instead of simply looking at my 'do not track' request (is it in the header sent by firefox?). I would much prefer to tweak the setting once in the browser, and not have to run cookie blocking add ons to forcibly delete cookies which appear to be used for tracking. Anyway I digress. "do not track" has been dead for years. An option to turn off tracking by default was never going to fly. I like what the EU has done. It isn't perfect, but it is a start. Whilst I know there are countermeasures to help reduce tracking, they aren't ideal and it is becoming harder and harder to maintain over time. Allowing consumers explicit choices for tracking and giving consumers options to get their data deleted formally is a good move.
orathaic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:06 pm gimix wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:41 pm And I must say that while as a dev I find all this a bit vexing, as a user I often take the time to fine tune my preferences I must say, as a user and EU citizen, this law has negatively affected my experience hugely. Every little website which asks me for permission instead of simply looking at my 'do not track' request (is it in the header sent by firefox?). I would much prefer to tweak the setting once in the browser, and not have to run cookie blocking add ons to forcibly delete cookies which appear to be used for tracking. Anyway I digress.
gimix wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:41 pm And I must say that while as a dev I find all this a bit vexing, as a user I often take the time to fine tune my preferences
by flash2015 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:31 pm
by orathaic » Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:06 pm
by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
by gimix » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:41 pm
by kestasjk » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:58 pm
by kestasjk » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:21 pm
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