Aristocrat wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 2:35 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 2:21 pm

Great guess, Aristo.

Thank you, challenging but fun pick and it took all the clues to piece it together

I am on the road so it is easier for me to guess than to run a proper round right now. I marked myself as the winner in the spreadsheet, however, I will pass it you JAMIE if you want to run the next round, since it has been ~150 rounds since your last qm.

If Jamie does not one it then one of folks who don't have a ton of wins can take it.

Sure, I'll do one, thanks!

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 2:21 pm

Great guess, Aristo.

Thank you, challenging but fun pick and it took all the clues to piece it together

I am on the road so it is easier for me to guess than to run a proper round right now. I marked myself as the winner in the spreadsheet, however, I will pass it you JAMIE if you want to run the next round, since it has been ~150 rounds since your last qm.

If Jamie does not one it then one of folks who don't have a ton of wins can take it.

Great guess, Aristo.

Aristocrat wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 1:30 pm

Rauf Denktaş?

Rauf Denktaş is correct!

Aristocrat wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 1:30 pm

Rauf Denktaş?

My god it could be someone from Cyprus yes. I did not notice Cyprus on the map of Oghuz speaking peoples.

Aristocrat wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 1:02 pm

It’s worth noting that the way the questions were asked, someone primarily associated with the USSR or Turkey would still be viable, it’s just the WW1-and-before empires that are ruled out.

It could be someone primarily associated with Turkey but not born in Turkey. But then where the heck were they born?

It could be someone primarily associated with Turkmenistan in the time of the USSR but only if they weren't born in Turkmenistan.

This is hard.

Rauf Denktaş?

It’s worth noting that the way the questions were asked, someone primarily associated with the USSR or Turkey would still be viable, it’s just the WW1-and-before empires that are ruled out.

Ernst_Brenner wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 12:59 pm

I'll withdraw that, as he was involved with the Ottoman military.

also already been a pick

I'll withdraw that, as he was involved with the Ottoman military.

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

Unless I have misunderstood something, I am totally stuck.

Then, if Wikipedia accurately reflects the geographical coverage where the Oghuz sub-group of Turkic is tranditionally spoken, and if Turkey, Iran, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan are ruled out, it can only be either (a) a Bulgarian, or (b) someone from South-Western Russia where Russia borders Georgia and Azerbaijan. or (c) someone who is a native Oghuz speaker but for whatever reason was born outside of the area where Oghuz speakers normally come from.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 11:32 am

Therefore I must ask:

Is this a person from Turkmenistan who became (or remained) prominent during the Soviet era?

18. No

Therefore I must ask:

Is this a person from Turkmenistan who became (or remained) prominent during the Soviet era?

But via Google-fu, I cannot find any famous Oghuz-speaking Bulgarian politicans or military figures with a birth date in the right range because, again, during that time range the Turkish-speaking population of Bulgaria was a marginalised minority.

Bearing in mind the language answers, and the fact this person was not born in Turkey or Azerbaijan, this seems to hint that they are likely to be from Turkmenistan.

However, it would seem to me that there are very few internationally recognised political or military figures from Turkmenistan during the date period we are looking at, because during that time Turkmenistan was first a peripheral region within the Russian Empire, and then the Soviet Union.

This leads me to think it might actually be an Oghuz-speaking Bulgarian...

Thank you Jamie

Summary, updated:

1. Real human from anywhere or fictional widow-peaked vampire from Romania.

2,3. NOT native speaker of a Germanic language or Indo-European language.

4,5,9,11,15. Born between 19 January 1871 and January 30, 1930, in Eurasia.

6,10,17. Native speaker of an Oghuz branch of the Turkic language.

7,12. NOT born in what is currently China, Taiwan, North Korea, South Korea, Japan, Mongolia, East Timor, or a member of ASEAN, or in what is now Turkey or Greece.

8. Does NOT have a dedicated English language Wikipedia page, not counting redirect pages, whose title begins with: C O C K A T I E or L.

13. Primarily famous for politics, government, or the military.

14. NOT involved with the politics or military of the Russian or Ottoman Empires.

16. NOT Persian or Azerbajani.


Wrong guesses:

Sayyid Mir Muhammed Alim Khan
Talaat Pasha

gjdip wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 9:41 am

Persian or Azerbajani?

16. No.

Hominidae wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 9:45 am

Hominidae wrote: ↑

Thu May 29, 2025 9:44 am

Was this person a native speaker of an Oghuz language?

(Not sure how well-known this term is, but for the benefit of the thread, it includes Turkish, Azerbaijani, Turkmen, and some smaller Turkic languages that you can look up, but not Kazakh, Kyrgyz, or Uzbek.)

Scratch this and make it conditional on gjdip's question getting a "no".

17. Yes