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Re: 20Qs Game 510

by DreamTrawler » Thu Apr 03, 2025 10:07 pm

Miminena now has protection from everything until her next turn.
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Re: 20Qs Game 510

by miminena » Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:45 pm

DarthPorg36 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:36 pm
miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:57 pm
 The One Ring?
That is correct! Congrats!
:D

fun choice! honestly a bit surprised this hasn't been done before given this forum's demographics :p

next round will be up at some point within the next three hours

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by DarthPorg36 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:36 pm

miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:57 pm
 The One Ring?
That is correct! Congrats!

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by miminena » Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:15 pm

Peach Cobbler wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:11 pm
miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:57 pm
 The One Ring?
Woah... very nice guess. This is genuinely pretty clever, even if it's not the right answer.
i spent wayyy too long mulling over whether the magic carpet from phoenix and the carpet could somehow maybe work before i came to this answer :p

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by Peach Cobbler » Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:11 pm

miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:57 pm
 The One Ring?
Woah... very nice guess. This is genuinely pretty clever, even if it's not the right answer.

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by Aristocrat » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:58 pm

miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:57 pm
 The One Ring?
Very sharp guess

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by miminena » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:57 pm

The One Ring?

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by DreamTrawler » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:46 pm

Can this character speak English?

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by DreamTrawler » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:46 pm

DarthPorg36 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:35 pm
DreamTrawler wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:30 pm
 Is the inanimate object in question primarily composed of wood or other plant matter?
No
Dang, I was really hoping it would be the bowl of petunias from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (which apparently has a name?)

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by DarthPorg36 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:44 pm

miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:34 pm
DarthPorg36 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:34 pm
miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 11:59 am
 Does this character ever appear in the story? (as opposed to just being mentioned)
Not entirely sure what you mean but I would say yes
like big brother who never actually appears but is definitely part of the story would be a no
I reaffirm my yes - this character appears in their story 100%

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by DarthPorg36 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:36 pm

Aristocrat wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:37 pm
 First introduced in a comic strip, comic book, or graphic novel?
No

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by DarthPorg36 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:35 pm

DreamTrawler wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:30 pm
 Is the inanimate object in question primarily composed of wood or other plant matter?
No

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by DarthPorg36 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:35 pm

Aristocrat wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:36 pm
 First introduced after the death of George Orwell?
No

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by miminena » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:34 pm

DarthPorg36 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:34 pm
miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 11:59 am
 Does this character ever appear in the story? (as opposed to just being mentioned)
Not entirely sure what you mean but I would say yes
like big brother who never actually appears but is definitely part of the story would be a no

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by DarthPorg36 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:34 pm

miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 11:59 am
 Does this character ever appear in the story? (as opposed to just being mentioned)
Not entirely sure what you mean but I would say yes

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by miminena » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:55 pm

Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:50 pm
DreamTrawler wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:39 pm
 Aristocrat also specified non-conditional, so this would be a situation where we would have to come up with the perfect set of questions all at once. I’d be down to try it some time.
Round 157 taught me that (assuming that all questions are answered yes/no: that is, no passes), there really isn't a difference between conditional and non-conditional: that is, you can always reformulate conditional questions to be non-conditional, assuming that you are willing to make the questions be (possibly very) long.

For example, consider the following sequence of questions (assume that you know we are looking for a real human being):
Is this person born in what is now the USA?
If yes, was this person born after 1900?
If no, is this person most famous for politics?

Assuming no passes, it is equivalent to:
Is this person born in what is now the USA?
Is this person someone born after 1900 in what is now the USA or someone most famous for politics born somewhere outside the USA?
ooh good point

in that case the questions would probably get very complicated

this would be a fun experiment to do over a long period of time, like maybe have a thread dedicated solely to attempting to figure this out

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by Spartaculous » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:52 pm

miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:26 pm
Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:02 pm
Aristocrat wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 6:36 pm

This made me think whether people could come up with a set of non-conditional questions that would let you identify any 20 questions candidate without knowing any information (i.e., you ask all 20 questions right at the beginning, QM answers them all, and you get 5 guesses to figure out the person).

I think it would be possible and probably not super difficult
Here is a crude approach.

Q1) Is this a real human being with a known birthdate after 589 AD?
If yes:
Q2-Q20) Determine the exact birthdate using binary searching. (2^19 / 365 approx. = 1436, 589+1436=2025)

So at this point, you know that the person was born on, say, December 13, 1989, and you just have to figure out who it is in five guesses.
but how would you account for fictional characters or more esoteric choices (like the piltdown man)?
Right; that is more tricky, and would require more thought.

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by Spartaculous » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:50 pm

DreamTrawler wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:39 pm
 Aristocrat also specified non-conditional, so this would be a situation where we would have to come up with the perfect set of questions all at once. I’d be down to try it some time.
Round 157 taught me that (assuming that all questions are answered yes/no: that is, no passes), there really isn't a difference between conditional and non-conditional: that is, you can always reformulate conditional questions to be non-conditional, assuming that you are willing to make the questions be (possibly very) long.

For example, consider the following sequence of questions (assume that you know we are looking for a real human being):
Is this person born in what is now the USA?
If yes, was this person born after 1900?
If no, is this person most famous for politics?

Assuming no passes, it is equivalent to:
Is this person born in what is now the USA?
Is this person someone born after 1900 in what is now the USA or someone most famous for politics born somewhere outside the USA?

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by DreamTrawler » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:39 pm

Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:02 pm
Aristocrat wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 6:36 pm
miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:39 pm
 don't use all 20 questions at once :3
This made me think whether people could come up with a set of non-conditional questions that would let you identify any 20 questions candidate without knowing any information (i.e., you ask all 20 questions right at the beginning, QM answers them all, and you get 5 guesses to figure out the person).

I think it would be possible and probably not super difficult
Here is a crude approach.

Q1) Is this a real human being with a known birthdate after 589 AD?
If yes:
Q2-Q20) Determine the exact birthdate using binary searching. (2^19 / 365 approx. = 1436, 589+1436=2025)

So at this point, you know that the person was born on, say, December 13, 1989, and you just have to figure out who it is in five guesses.
Aristocrat also specified non-conditional, so this would be a situation where we would have to come up with the perfect set of questions all at once. I’d be down to try it some time.

Re: 20Qs Game 510

by miminena » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:26 pm

Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:02 pm
Aristocrat wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 6:36 pm
miminena wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:39 pm
 don't use all 20 questions at once :3
This made me think whether people could come up with a set of non-conditional questions that would let you identify any 20 questions candidate without knowing any information (i.e., you ask all 20 questions right at the beginning, QM answers them all, and you get 5 guesses to figure out the person).

I think it would be possible and probably not super difficult
Here is a crude approach.

Q1) Is this a real human being with a known birthdate after 589 AD?
If yes:
Q2-Q20) Determine the exact birthdate using binary searching. (2^19 / 365 approx. = 1436, 589+1436=2025)

So at this point, you know that the person was born on, say, December 13, 1989, and you just have to figure out who it is in five guesses.
but how would you account for fictional characters or more esoteric choices (like the piltdown man)?

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