Team chess: game 3

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Re: Team chess: game 3

by Trigfea63 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:53 am

miminena wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:45 am
Trigfea63 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:39 am
 I started replaying the game on your lichess link. At move 6, doesn't white win the bishop with Qa4+? I've been doing a lot of lichess puzzles lately and that is a recurring one.

If another team chess game is in the works, I'd love to join. (I'm an average player.)
Nc6 blocks the check and defends the bishop
Yes, you're right. I see your comment in the lichess commentary :-) After ... Nc6, white could play Bb5 and the knight is pinned, but I guess black could just retreat the bishop at that point.

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Spartaculous » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:47 am

Trigfea63 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:39 am
 If another team chess game is in the works, I'd love to join. (I'm an average player.)
If someone wants to organize round 4 of team chess, I'd be happy to play (though I would defer to someone else for the organization). Also, see miminena's post to set up a chess tournament; I'm also happy to play 1-day-per-move correspondence games on Lichess if you challenge me.

Re: Team chess: game 3

by miminena » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:45 am

Trigfea63 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:39 am
 I started replaying the game on your lichess link. At move 6, doesn't white win the bishop with Qa4+? I've been doing a lot of lichess puzzles lately and that is a recurring one.

If another team chess game is in the works, I'd love to join. (I'm an average player.)
Nc6 blocks the check and defends the bishop

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Trigfea63 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:39 am

I started replaying the game on your lichess link. At move 6, doesn't white win the bishop with Qa4+? I've been doing a lot of lichess puzzles lately and that is a recurring one.

If another team chess game is in the works, I'd love to join. (I'm an average player.)

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Spartaculous » Sat Mar 22, 2025 10:20 pm

Okay, I think I am done with my annotations. Good game everyone! I enjoyed it.

https://lichess.org/study/3RSdT7xp/9itmhtTd

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Spartaculous » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:59 pm

miminena wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:52 pm
 also, i would like to point out the tragedy of the rook on a1, the only rook not to move this game. i think the canonical ending after Qxg7 should include Rb1 just as a homage to DT :3
Actually, after ... Qd8, 25. 0-0-0 (with the intention of Rh1) is mate in only 1 additional move. (Also, see the first Team Chess game for a similar joke.)

Re: Team chess: game 3

by miminena » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:52 pm

also, i would like to point out the tragedy of the rook on a1, the only rook not to move this game. i think the canonical ending after Qxg7 should include Rb1 just as a homage to DT :3

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Spartaculous » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:51 pm

miminena wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:49 pm
Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:42 pm
 Mimi, I added you to the Lichess study, in case you want to add any of your own thoughts as annotations. (And I'm happy to do the same for anyone else with a Lichess account.)
i saw! just wanted to wait for you to finish your analysis :)
I'll be working on it off and on, so feel free to go ahead and add whatever you want.

Re: Team chess: game 3

by miminena » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:49 pm

Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:42 pm
 Mimi, I added you to the Lichess study, in case you want to add any of your own thoughts as annotations. (And I'm happy to do the same for anyone else with a Lichess account.)
i saw! just wanted to wait for you to finish your analysis :)

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Spartaculous » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:42 pm

Mimi, I added you to the Lichess study, in case you want to add any of your own thoughts as annotations. (And I'm happy to do the same for anyone else with a Lichess account.)

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Aristocrat » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:35 pm

Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:17 pm
 I think, as the organizer of the game, it is best to simply call it, as white has forced checkmate in at most 2 more moves (24... Qd8 prolongs the game the longest, but still loses to 25. Qxh6+ Kg4 26. Qh3#).

I saved the game as a Lichess study: https://lichess.org/study/3RSdT7xp/9itmhtTd
Aristocrat wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:00 pm
 I have no idea if the analyzer I’m using is correct, but it viewed both the first and last moves in this sequence as severe blunders:

13. Bxh7+ Kxh7
14. Ng5+ Kg8
15. Qh5 Bd7

I am a relative novice at chess but I thought it was interesting that white had a slow but steadily increasing advantage all game until then, and black surrendered back its gains with a relatively innocuous move 2 turns later
Well, I am bemused to know that the computer thinks that my sacrifice (I was the one who played 13. Bxh7+) was a blunder!
I looked at two engines and both had the best white could do as being a stalemate after that, if black had made an offensive move like qb5 instead of bd7

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Spartaculous » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:34 pm

miminena wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:25 pm
Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:17 pm
 Well, I am bemused to know that the computer thinks that my sacrifice (I was the one who played 13. Bxh7+) was a blunder!
what was the point behind the sacrifice? I assume there was one but I can't figure it out :p
Well, the point of the sac was basically what happened in the game: White gets to play Ng5+ and Qh5 in very quick succession, and busts up Black's kingside. I felt that White would not be worse after the sac - there was a good chance of either winning an exchange back (as happened in the game) to establish rough material equality or getting a perpetual check as a worst-case scenario. It also just made the game much more interesting!

I am starting to put some of my thoughts as annotations in the Lichess study above.

Re: Team chess: game 3

by miminena » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:25 pm

Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:17 pm
 I think, as the organizer of the game, it is best to simply call it, as white has forced checkmate in at most 2 more moves (24... Qd8 prolongs the game the longest, but still loses to 25. Qxh6+ Kg4 26. Qh3#).

I saved the game as a Lichess study: https://lichess.org/study/3RSdT7xp/9itmhtTd
Aristocrat wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:00 pm
 I have no idea if the analyzer I’m using is correct, but it viewed both the first and last moves in this sequence as severe blunders:

13. Bxh7+ Kxh7
14. Ng5+ Kg8
15. Qh5 Bd7

I am a relative novice at chess but I thought it was interesting that white had a slow but steadily increasing advantage all game until then, and black surrendered back its gains with a relatively innocuous move 2 turns later
Well, I am bemused to know that the computer thinks that my sacrifice (I was the one who played 13. Bxh7+) was a blunder!
what was the point behind the sacrifice? I assume there was one but I can't figure it out :p

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Spartaculous » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:17 pm

I think, as the organizer of the game, it is best to simply call it, as white has forced checkmate in at most 2 more moves (24... Qd8 prolongs the game the longest, but still loses to 25. Qxh6+ Kg4 26. Qh3#).

I saved the game as a Lichess study: https://lichess.org/study/3RSdT7xp/9itmhtTd
Aristocrat wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:00 pm
 I have no idea if the analyzer I’m using is correct, but it viewed both the first and last moves in this sequence as severe blunders:

13. Bxh7+ Kxh7
14. Ng5+ Kg8
15. Qh5 Bd7

I am a relative novice at chess but I thought it was interesting that white had a slow but steadily increasing advantage all game until then, and black surrendered back its gains with a relatively innocuous move 2 turns later
Well, I am bemused to know that the computer thinks that my sacrifice (I was the one who played 13. Bxh7+) was a blunder!

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Aristocrat » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:00 pm

I have no idea if the analyzer I’m using is correct, but it viewed both the first and last moves in this sequence as severe blunders:

13. Bxh7+ Kxh7
14. Ng5+ Kg8
15. Qh5 Bd7

I am a relative novice at chess but I thought it was interesting that white had a slow but steadily increasing advantage all game until then, and black surrendered back its gains with a relatively innocuous move 2 turns later

Re: Team chess: game 3

by damo666 » Sat Mar 22, 2025 6:14 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 6:11 pm
Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:38 pm
damo666 wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:29 pm
I vote resign.
I think that's two votes to resign. We could either see if more votes come in, or we could simply play out the rest of the game rather quickly (it shouldn't take long).
Would have to be e4 wouldn't it? Else ++
And white still has forced mate.

Deffo resign.

Re: Team chess: game 3

by damo666 » Sat Mar 22, 2025 6:11 pm

Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:38 pm
damo666 wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:29 pm
I vote resign.
I think that's two votes to resign. We could either see if more votes come in, or we could simply play out the rest of the game rather quickly (it shouldn't take long).
Would have to be e4 wouldn't it? Else ++

Re: Team chess: game 3

by Spartaculous » Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:38 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:29 pm
I vote resign.
I think that's two votes to resign. We could either see if more votes come in, or we could simply play out the rest of the game rather quickly (it shouldn't take long).

Re: Team chess: game 3

by damo666 » Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:29 pm

I vote resign.

Re: Team chess: game 3

by damo666 » Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:28 pm

Ernst_Brenner wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:45 pm
damo666 wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:28 am
Ernst_Brenner wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:13 am
 1. d4 d5
2. c4 e6
3. Nc3 c6
4. e4 Bb4
5. cxd5 cxd5
6. e5 Ne7
7. a3 Bxc3+
8. bxc3 Qa5
9. Bd2 0-0
10. Bd3 Nbc6
11. Nf3 f5
12. exf6 Rxf6
13. Bxh7+ Kxh7
14. Ng5+ Kg8
15. Qh5 Bd7
16. Qh7+ Kf8
17. Qh8+ Ng8
18. Nh7+ Kf7
19. Nxf6 Kxf6
20. h4 Re8
21. Rh3 Nh6
22. Rf3+ Kg6
23. h5+ Kxh5

Only move. I vote to resign.
This is not valid is it? Kf7
Why would Kxh5 be invalid?
Sorry, brainfade. I was thinking the Rook was still on the h file.

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