[quote=Fluminator post_id=428610 time=1725661025 user_id=98]
I wanted to be town! I didn't want to trick people.
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[color=#BF0000][b]Embrace the power of the dark side[/b].[/color]

[quote=Fluminator post_id=428610 time=1725661025 user_id=98]
I wanted to be town! I didn't want to trick people.
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I feel you there. I wanted to town in this game too :(

I wanted to be town! I didn't want to trick people.

[quote=ghug post_id=428606 time=1725658384 user_id=51]Damnit Flum[/quote]

He had you good there.

You had a slight suspicion of me but Fluminator did a good job of keeping on the right side of you.

Damnit Flum

My feeling about Flum were right but I can't convince Ghug.

Sorry for being absent even more then usual but last weekend and this week were really busy and for unexpected reasons.

[quote=Fluminator post_id=428602 time=1725656780 user_id=98]
Good game y'all.
Ghug's reason for townreading me was solid. But the reason I didn't shoot there before the sweet kill was I thought there was a pretty good chance Jamie would be around when a potential quickhammer happened so he could sneak the shoot in without scaring them off hammering sweet. I did not want to shoot early if I didn't need to as well, and I wasn't convinced a quickhammer would happen.

@Jamiet, I loved playing with you! Good job on coming across as townie. I struggled to find fake reasons to suspect you.
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I almost got the shot off in time! I was online and messaging Worcej about shooting at almost the same time as Bunny dropped the final hammer. I was late by about 90 seconds.

It was fun playing with you too, Flum.

I laughed at the end when you asked me if I was going to vote you for revenge from that previous game.

wp scum

Good game y'all.
Ghug's reason for townreading me was solid. But the reason I didn't shoot there before the sweet kill was I thought there was a pretty good chance Jamie would be around when a potential quickhammer happened so he could sneak the shoot in without scaring them off hammering sweet. I did not want to shoot early if I didn't need to as well, and I wasn't convinced a quickhammer would happen.

@Jamiet, I loved playing with you! Good job on coming across as townie. I struggled to find fake reasons to suspect you.

hook, line and sinker

spread the news, but ghug didn't want to listen.

Well played buddying me Jamie.

For the bot:
Game has ended

Fluminator.

Literally almost had the game in your hand, just needed the last town vote.

[quote=Kakarroto post_id=428596 time=1725656674 user_id=7593]
well played

who still had the bullet?
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I shot BunnyGo.

Fluminator was the second gunman.

THAT'S HOW WE DO IT
PEW PEW PEW

BAD LUCK TOWN
IT SUCKS TO BE YOU

well played

who still had the bullet?

I want to get home and not write a bunch of flavor on my phone…

[b]rdrivera2005 has died! He was a Break Dancer.[/b]

A shot rings out immediately to make it 2-1

[b]Kakarroto has died! He was a Break Dancer.[/b]

Mafia (Jamie and Flum) have won game 3 of the “webLympics”.

Game had ended

[quote=Fluminator post_id=428590 time=1725656349 user_id=98]
If we try to switch now, ghug would have to be scum for that to work. I think it's still more likely you are.
I just worry it's Jamie/Kak.
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Why Jamie will push a Kak wagon now if they are both scum?

[b][u]Day has ended. Please Hold.[/u][/b]

My view of the game is currently this:

town >> Jamie >> ghug = RD > Flum >> mafia

I'm not as sold on Flum being mafia as I showed, but I think he has the highest chance of being mafia. I'm also not fully convinced Jamie is town, I got some vibes that he was buddying me. But I think he has the highest chance of being town of the four.

I'm not sure about ghug and RD, I think ghug has a strange overconfidence in that 'optimal play', and totally overlooks or ignores the possibility of mafia to just not play optimally. He also ignores the fact, that the setup for this was posted like one hour before the game started, and not everyone dedicated intricate time to analyse it. He might make some good logical points, but he lacks that ... I don't know how to describe it, but it gives me a very bad feeling. Whereas RD might be away a lot, and hasn't posted a lot, but he doesn't give me that feeling. Ghug also feels pushy and somewhat dismissing, and doesn't seem to see the point I'm making about holding the shots and negated information. But I'm not sure if I'm just not understanding ghug correctly here and he is town.

So, I stood back today, to see what people would do, if Flum would finally vote someone. It was 2 ghug, 1 RD and 1 on himself. He chose RD at the time, which caused RD to change, letting the ghug wagon die. So it was 2-2 between Flum and RD, and Jamie came in and changed from ghug and voted RD, making the day between flum and RD.

If the maf-team is jamie and ghug, which was proposed by some players before, but I doubt, then they did a great job of blending in, I wouldn't vote Jamie today, and the chance for voting ghug is gone. I think we just lost if that's the reality, so no sense to think about that, as I don't believe I have the ability to make RD and Flum change their vote there. And even I think this is the lowest chance team. This is just a gg wp, go next.

If the team is Jamie-flum, I was wrong about Jamie and lulled in, but I'll put it on ghug for not realizing that mafia can ignore a 'good situation' and play for the long game, where they have truly perfect chances. If town?ghug stays on RD and not change his mind that is.

If it's Jamie-RD, then Jamie is currently bussing. He might go for the fast win and change last second, but I try to counter that and will, if the situation didn't change, vote RD at the last second.

If we have ghug-RD, then the same applies; be ready for a last second switch onto town?flum. In both cases it is probable, that RD was the shooter today, which works out timewise. That means that the surviving mafia still has the bullet.

If it's ghug-flum, Jamie decided wrong at the end. I'm a bit sad if he didn't vote flum because he didn't trust me enough, and I might've convinced him more about my hunch, but I am not 100% sure of it myself. Maybe I should've joined Jamie earlier on ghug in this case, but I'm also waffling between ghug and RD being flum's partner.

If we have a flum-RD team, we are doing great, and just have to vote one out, preferable the one with the bullet, but it doesn't really matter. I still plan to change to RD in that case, just in case there might be a change and a tie.

[color=red][b]Due to this, if we don't just lose voting town?RD out today, I propose to vote a no-kill and hammer tomorrow, to be either sure that the bullet will be used the next day to avoid any bullet to go into a 1-1 situation, or to confirm that there is no bullet left. I would go even so far to offer me as the vote target, after we hammered a no-kill and no bullet flew that same day, when we are at 3-1. If a bullet was used, and I'm alive at 2-1, I would also stand up as the vote, with the condition, that the surviving town HAS TO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND that he has to vote faster than the surviving mafia (who is now bulletless). [/b][/color]

We just have to avoid the bullet going into a 1-1, or the bullet being shot while not both town vote mafia at 2-1 faster than mafia voted any of the surviving town.

So in my suggestion to proceed, the steps are:
-) at 3-1, vote no-kill and hammer the day (if the bullet flies when it's 3-1, this step can be skipped)
-) at 2-1 with no bullet alive, try to find the other town, it doesn't fully matter, just be aware that the mafia does not be allowed to vote first.
-) if guessed wrong, be ready BEFORE the the GM post, have a new reply open with the vote and submit the post with the vote for the other surviving person, and hit that button as fast as you can see worcej posting.
-) I know, at this point it's practically a 50-50 on who is faster, but I don't think I'll be alive this long to make that decision, so be prepared for that. Good luck for whoever you are. Just be aware of the tie-rules, and as soon as you vote the mafia, don't move away. o7

##vote rdrivera2005

So, this last part is just some typing to hide the vote, I mean, I plan to post it about the phase change, and will use time.is for it, to get the second correct, but I'm a bit afraid that this post is so long that it might hangs itself up again a bit and it takes a few seconds to proceed. So maybe I'll try to post it about 5 seconds before EoD, just to be sure. We might not get a last second change if bussing mafia changes to Flum to make a quick victory, but it should be close enough.

And I don't think that, if we have two maf voting RD and one town, for that town to change his vote at the last second.

Ah, and on a personal matter, I also needed some time off, just because playing that much, that intensive, just wasn't good for me. I didn't fully vanish (just made it appear so that mafia might be baited to switch for the fast win if we have that scenario) and had a look at it from time to time in the last two days, but I wanted to see what happened, and I wanted to get some distance for myself. Like I said, I had headaches, AND my stomach feels still a bit weird. Feel better now though, so please don't worry too much, I'll have a look out for me. [u]Let it be known, for the next game, that I won't do as much time/effort investment as in this or the last game. Well, at least I plan to take a little bit off of it.[/u]

One more thought nearing EoD: mafia hadn't had chance to talk in a night chat, so both coordinating the voting plus coordinating who they sus is not as effective, so voting together here isn't as easy, I think? But I don't know.

Also, if I mess(ed) things up, I'm sorry. :(

Ok it's too late now there's 60 seconds left.

Fingers crossed.