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Re: 20 ?s 332

by MythosOfMen » Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:17 pm

Spartaculous wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:23 pm
 MythosOfMen now has a very prominent place in 20Q mythology.

That was a well-run round by wintergreen.
I hope my application to the pantheon is accepted :)

Re: 20 ?s 332

by Spartaculous » Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:23 pm

MythosOfMen now has a very prominent place in 20Q mythology.

That was a well-run round by wintergreen.

Re: 20 ?s 332

by Hominidae » Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:08 pm

Great choice, great game, and great guess. Very satisfying that the target ended up being very well-known.

For the record, they definitely count as two people, but we've had two people as the target before. And not stating this beforehand made it infinitely more challenging and fun.

Re: 20 ?s 332

by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:58 pm

Quite remarkable that in the 19th Century, a pair of conjoined twins could live to the age of 62.

Interesting and educational choice!

Re: 20 ?s 332

by wintergreen » Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:52 pm

Hominidae wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:08 pm
 I am wondering if this is a subject of a scientific study, or something like that. No idea who that would be.
Hominidae had no idea how close he was there.

Re: 20 ?s 332

by DreamTrawler » Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:45 pm

Great pick and great guess! Congrats on 1st win Mythos!

Re: 20 ?s 332

by MythosOfMen » Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:38 pm

wintergreen wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:34 pm
MythosOfMen wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:32 pm
 Were they born in one of what is now Vietnam, Thailand, the Philippines, or Malaysia?

If yes, Non-free guess: Chang and Eng Bunker, conjoined twins born to Chinese parents in Thailand in the early 1800s. Based on all the ambiguities I felt this worth a non-free guess
Chang and Eng Bunker is/are correct. Congrats on your first win. I can't imagine how much research you must have had to do.

I plead the fifth. Thank you for setting such a puzzle!

Re: 20 ?s 332

by wintergreen » Mon Jul 01, 2024 3:34 pm

MythosOfMen wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:32 pm
 Were they born in one of what is now Vietnam, Thailand, the Philippines, or Malaysia?

If yes, Non-free guess: Chang and Eng Bunker, conjoined twins born to Chinese parents in Thailand in the early 1800s. Based on all the ambiguities I felt this worth a non-free guess
Chang and Eng Bunker is/are correct. Congrats on your first win. I can't imagine how much research you must have had to do.

Re: 20 ?s 332

by Hominidae » Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:43 pm

Yeah, this was clarified:
wintergreen wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:42 pm
Hominidae wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:12 pm
 Clarification: you're confident that this person was a native speaker of a Sino-Tibetan language, but not confident that it was Chinese?
I'm not confident whether this person spoke Chinese or a non-Sino-Tibetan language.
The Sino-Tibetan answer was upgraded to a pass after this. I guess the QM was originally assuming that they were native speakers (assuming the guess is right) of Chinese, and then realized later that it wasn't necessarily a given. The twins were either native speakers of a variety of Chinese (Chinese) or Thai (a non-Sino-Tibetan language). Indo-European being "no" still checks out, because Thai isn't that either.

Re: 20 ?s 332

by MythosOfMen » Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:24 pm

cdngooner wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:13 pm
 It fits MOSTLY. Thai is not a Sino-Tibetan language, and we got a clear YES to that question. The father was of Chinese DESCENT but there is no mention of what language he spoke. The mother was of uncertain ethnicity, likely Siamese.
I may have misunderstood, but I believe clear yes was later amended to, "either Chinese OR a non-Sino-Tibetan Language" (also not Indo-European). Additionally, I believe the clear yes was changed to a "pass, assumed yes." As well. Implying the QM could not verify what language they spoke.

he articles I was skimming through seemed to indicate the same ethnicity/language ambiguities you mention, both with the mother and father. And I don't remember any mention of which language they spoke. The very ambiguity of the language actually is what made me most confident it was them.

Re: 20 ?s 332

by cdngooner » Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:13 pm

It fits MOSTLY. Thai is not a Sino-Tibetan language, and we got a clear YES to that question. The father was of Chinese DESCENT but there is no mention of what language he spoke. The mother was of uncertain ethnicity, likely Siamese.

Re: 20 ?s 332

by Hominidae » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:42 pm

MythosOfMen wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:32 pm
 Were they born in one of what is now Vietnam, Thailand, the Philippines, or Malaysia?

If yes, Non-free guess: Chang and Eng Bunker, conjoined twins born to Chinese parents in Thailand in the early 1800s. Based on all the ambiguities I felt this worth a non-free guess
This is totally it.

Re: 20 ?s 332

by MythosOfMen » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:32 pm

Were they born in one of what is now Vietnam, Thailand, the Philippines, or Malaysia?

If yes, Non-free guess: Chang and Eng Bunker, conjoined twins born to Chinese parents in Thailand in the early 1800s. Based on all the ambiguities I felt this worth a non-free guess

Re: 20 ?s 332

by MythosOfMen » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:16 pm

That, or its Chiang Kai Shek's grandfather. But I don't want to burn questions/non-free guesses

Re: 20 ?s 332

by MythosOfMen » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:14 pm

@Jamie, I am leaning towards South of Southern China.

It may be a situation of Chinese spoken as a court or government language in a country not China, like French in many European capitals for quite a while.

Just spent the past twenty minutes reading about 'literary Chinese' in Vietnam, which was widely used until French colonization.

I'm thinking it's either a Chinese-Filipino person, someone in admin/government/business in what is now Thailand, Vietnam, or Malaysia, and that their tie to science/academics has to do with either establishing some kind of educational institution or advancing industrialization in some way.

I'm very tempted to ask a QM question along those lines.

Re: 20 ?s 332

by Jamiet99uk » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:06 pm

Do we think this person is from Northern China, or somewhere north (or otherwise outside) of that?

Re: 20 ?s 332

by wintergreen » Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:00 am

miminena wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:59 am
 This probably isn't it, since I couldn't find his birthplace, but it's my best guess.

Free guess: Tie Sing
No. FYI, my pick is less obscure than Tie Sing.

Re: 20 ?s 332

by miminena » Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:59 am

This probably isn't it, since I couldn't find his birthplace, but it's my best guess.

Free guess: Tie Sing

Re: 20 ?s 332

by wintergreen » Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:49 am

miminena wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:40 am
 Clarification: How is Southern China defined here?
The lightest shade of red here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Southern_China_map-1.png)

Re: 20 ?s 332

by miminena » Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:40 am

Clarification: How is Southern China defined here?

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