XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

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Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by DreamTrawler » Sat May 25, 2024 4:00 am

Ah, I saw his dad the pope was Valencian so I kind of just assumed

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by JECE » Sat May 25, 2024 3:10 am

Hominidae wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 9:30 pm
DreamTrawler wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 8:30 pm
(does Valencian count as Spanish?)
For the record, no. Valencian is a form of Catalan, which is definitely a different language from Spanish.
Cesare Borgia may not have been a native speaker of any Iberian language, though, right?

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by Hominidae » Fri May 24, 2024 9:30 pm

DreamTrawler wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 8:30 pm
(does Valencian count as Spanish?)
For the record, no. Valencian is a form of Catalan, which is definitely a different language from Spanish.

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by DreamTrawler » Fri May 24, 2024 8:30 pm

I had an inkling that it would be cardinal related but was thinking either Cesare Borgia (does Valencian count as Spanish?) or Infante Luis (made a cardinal at 8 years old!) until we narrowed down the years

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by Wattsthematter » Fri May 24, 2024 7:50 pm

While I had no hope of figuring this one out... I learned a lot about the... inbreeding... of Spanish Aristocracy in the 17th and 18th century. And I find the mixed opinion historians have on the mental capacity of Charles II pretty fascinating

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by Hanging Rook » Fri May 24, 2024 6:49 pm

JECE wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 6:37 pm
Hanging Rook wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 3:25 pm
 free guess: Gaspar de Guzmán, Count-Duke of Olivares?
You got it!

Richelieu and Olivares, by J. H. Elliott, is a great, short book that explains this period of history. I couldn't help but laugh when I read in this thread comments like that Spain was a highly "centralized kingdom". If only!

You guys almost went way off track but got saved by the Spanish language question. The Count-Duke of Olivares was born in Rome.
The not born in 17th century Spain- question narrowed it down sufficiently.

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by JECE » Fri May 24, 2024 6:40 pm

Aristocrat wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 3:20 pm
 I like some parts of the old rules, but this section always bothered me, even though I wasn't playing back when people really used these rules:
Before the twentieth question is answered, players who have not yet used their free guess may choose to expend their free guess alongside two consecutive questions.
The actual meaning of this sentence is that everyone should get to go question-question-guess on 19, provided they haven't used their free guess yet, and OP hasn't answered question 20. I know that is not how the rule is actually interpreted. But it is poorly written.
I don't think that I agree, but is the long form of that rule clearer?

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by JECE » Fri May 24, 2024 6:37 pm

Hanging Rook wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 3:25 pm
 free guess: Gaspar de Guzmán, Count-Duke of Olivares?
You got it!

Richelieu and Olivares, by J. H. Elliott, is a great, short book that explains this period of history. I couldn't help but laugh when I read in this thread comments like that Spain was a highly "centralized kingdom". If only!

You guys almost went way off track but got saved by the Spanish language question. The Count-Duke of Olivares was born in Rome.

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by DreamTrawler » Fri May 24, 2024 5:48 pm

Richelieu mentioned in the wiki page as well

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by FlaviusAetius » Fri May 24, 2024 5:46 pm

Hanging Rook wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 3:25 pm
 free guess: Gaspar de Guzmán, Count-Duke of Olivares?
I think this is the correct answer

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by Hanging Rook » Fri May 24, 2024 3:25 pm

free guess: Gaspar de Guzmán, Count-Duke of Olivares?

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by Aristocrat » Fri May 24, 2024 3:20 pm

I like some parts of the old rules, but this section always bothered me, even though I wasn't playing back when people really used these rules:
Before the twentieth question is answered, players who have not yet used their free guess may choose to expend their free guess alongside two consecutive questions.
The actual meaning of this sentence is that everyone should get to go question-question-guess on 19, provided they haven't used their free guess yet, and OP hasn't answered question 20. I know that is not how the rule is actually interpreted. But it is poorly written.

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by JECE » Fri May 24, 2024 2:54 pm

Hominidae wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 2:48 pm
 Free guess: John Joseph of Austria
No

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by JECE » Fri May 24, 2024 2:53 pm

Wattsthematter wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 1:29 pm
 Not sure if this is a wasted question or not, as I'm not 100% confident on where native speakers would most likely be born between 1570-1727, but...

Born in Spain in the 17th century?
No

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by Hominidae » Fri May 24, 2024 2:48 pm

Free guess: John Joseph of Austria

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by DreamTrawler » Fri May 24, 2024 2:21 pm

cdngooner wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 1:48 pm
Served as leader of a country/polity
I'm afraid we've fallen into some weeds as a result of this question. We know he is not a monarch, but is he a head of state at all, or just a head of government? Would the chief minister of such a centralized kingdom as Spain qualify as the "leader" of the country? While the questioner might have been thinking of sovereign states, could the QM have considered a subdivision (like Aragon or Mallorca) to be a "polity"? I doubt it. But we don't really know what the QM was thinking because the question words "leader" and "polity" are so vague. I wish we had asked "head of state" or "head of government" of a "sovereign state". Hard to clarify this now with just one question left.
As the questioner, I was thinking of sovereign states, sorry for the vague wording

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by Spartaculous » Fri May 24, 2024 1:49 pm

DarthPorg36 wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2024 12:05 pm
 doge of Venice
RIP to Kabosu, the greatest modern-day doge.

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by cdngooner » Fri May 24, 2024 1:48 pm

Served as leader of a country/polity
I'm afraid we've fallen into some weeds as a result of this question. We know he is not a monarch, but is he a head of state at all, or just a head of government? Would the chief minister of such a centralized kingdom as Spain qualify as the "leader" of the country? While the questioner might have been thinking of sovereign states, could the QM have considered a subdivision (like Aragon or Mallorca) to be a "polity"? I doubt it. But we don't really know what the QM was thinking because the question words "leader" and "polity" are so vague. I wish we had asked "head of state" or "head of government" of a "sovereign state". Hard to clarify this now with just one question left.

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by DreamTrawler » Fri May 24, 2024 1:45 pm

1, 3. Real male human
2, 8, 13, 16. Born 1570-1726 AD
4, 5, 7. Not born in Asia, Africa, North America, South America, US-controlled island, Northern Europe, Western Europe, or Southern Hemisphere
6. Not primarily famous for invention or contribution to the arts
9. Known for politics/military/government/religion
10, 12. Native speaker of Spanish
11, 14. Served as leader of a country/polity but not as monarch
15. Not an explorer/conquistador
17. Never been to the Americas
18. Not a pope, dogs of Venice, or captain regent of San Marino

Re: XX Questions – Game CCXCIII

by cdngooner » Fri May 24, 2024 1:38 pm

No, but native Spanish speakers did become Pope
Not during the time period in question, I don't believe, all Italians. The last Spanish pope (Alexander VI) died 1503.

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