Most Infamous WebDip user

by **Pengwinja** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:54 am

Free guess: Garfield
https://webdiplomacy.net/userprofile.php?userID=59408

by **WhiteSammy** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:50 pm

I mostly lurk and disappear for extended periods, but there have been quite a few in my years here. The vast majority being flashes in the pan as it really takes someone with tenure and previous good standing in the more well known ranks of the community for shit to actually starting flying.

Draug and Ginge are the two most prolific "I'm not as good as I thought I was and I can't handle it" schizo psychosis posts and tirades.

Moderators and the overall community don't tent to take the bait and their attempts at shenanigans just fizzle out.

I would like to add SmartJason to the list as unarguably THE MOST prolific multi-account cheat the site has ever seen. There were dozens of active games across his accounts with 2-4 accounts in almost every single one. He had so many different accounts that I'm pretty sure he probably still has accounts from that time that aren't banned. The cherry on top was that he kinda played them like real people and would RP as different people occasionally "stabbing" himself.

The fallout from just how many games he had accounts in was astounding. I had 5 games terminated because he had infiltrated them and there just weren't enough people on the site at the time to fill in the gaps.

by **Esquire Bertissimmo** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:37 pm

The whole Ginge affair raised a bunch of interesting questions:

Is there a limit on how despicable one should be in order to win a game?

How much does decorum matter in a game based around manipulation?

Can a rule against meta-gaming truly be upheld if a player engages in non-anonymous games while being a 99th percentile asshole?

by **loresend** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:02 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:56 pm
Whatever works for you . If you succeed with nice, be nice. But always keep a little bit of nasty in the armoury.

Yes. So far what I’ve learnt is mostly that if you’re coercive and volatile, people will think “man I can’t see myself working with this guy ‘till the end of the game” and will be prompted to betray you. I’ve also read a lot about the “charming and amiable” press style and its merits. But your strategy (being “selectively nice”) looks really genius!

by **Octavious** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:56 pm

Whatever works for you

. If you succeed with nice, be nice. But always keep a little bit of nasty in the armoury.

by **loresend** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:47 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:33 pm
A nice atmosphere ? The ultimate goal is to achieve a solo by any means necessary without breaching the rules. The game is designed to attract the sort of people who enjoy exercising a ruthless streak. If everyone was nice you'd be denying people the fun they come here for.

I had some success a little while back by being perfectly decent and friendly to everyone except one of my neighbours, who I was an absolute bastard to. Rude, dismissive, patronising, utterly unreasonable... the works. The idea was that the poor sod would complain bitterly about me to the other players who would compare it to what they had received from me and assume he was lying in order to manipulate them. Fun times!

Seems like I have a lot to learn as a noob :salute: I might try that in future games –– thanks for the tip!

by **Octavious** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 7:33 pm

A nice atmosphere

? The ultimate goal is to achieve a solo by any means necessary without breaching the rules. The game is designed to attract the sort of people who enjoy exercising a ruthless streak. If everyone was nice you'd be denying people the fun they come here for.

I had some success a little while back by being perfectly decent and friendly to everyone except one of my neighbours, who I was an absolute bastard to. Rude, dismissive, patronising, utterly unreasonable... the works. The idea was that the poor sod would complain bitterly about me to the other players who would compare it to what they had received from me and assume he was lying in order to manipulate them. Fun times!

by **loresend** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 6:40 pm

Esquire Bertissimmo wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 11, 2024 3:48 pm

PRINCE WILLIAM wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:08 am
Ginge86 was the most toxic player I ever met online.
As long as things went his way, he was okay, but if he thought otherwise, he was wildly abusing and using very strong language.
Once he started losing, he threatened to throw the game to Russia, letting him have all his SCs unless we turned all against Russia. When I pointed out that this was not a way to play, he started firing on me with all he could think of, accusing me of.
This actually makes me miss him lol.

His playstyle taught me a few things about this game. Threatening to throw the game at every inconvenience is sometimes a serviceable press strategy. Emotional manipulation can help reinforce in-game deception. And some people really will capitulate to toxicity and rudeness.

It's a shame that he couldn't figure out how to just be an extreme press player without also constantly breaking the rules.

I still personally think “extreme press” goes against the spirit of the game. I usually send nice messages (along the lines of “nothing personal, have a nice day”) even when I backstab people: I believe the ultimate goal is to ensure everyone’s having fun and to keep a nice atmosphere –– it's a game. Deceiving and mortally stabbing someone does not go against that because it’s what people signed up for. Toxic messaging and accusations? Probably not…

by **Esquire Bertissimmo** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 3:48 pm

PRINCE WILLIAM wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:08 am
Ginge86 was the most toxic player I ever met online.
As long as things went his way, he was okay, but if he thought otherwise, he was wildly abusing and using very strong language.
Once he started losing, he threatened to throw the game to Russia, letting him have all his SCs unless we turned all against Russia. When I pointed out that this was not a way to play, he started firing on me with all he could think of, accusing me of.

This actually makes me miss him lol.

His playstyle taught me a few things about this game. Threatening to throw the game at every inconvenience is sometimes a serviceable press strategy. Emotional manipulation can help reinforce in-game deception. And some people really will capitulate to toxicity and rudeness.

It's a shame that he couldn't figure out how to just be an extreme press player without also constantly breaking the rules.

by **PRINCE WILLIAM** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:08 am

Ginge86 was the most toxic player I ever met online.
As long as things went his way, he was okay, but if he thought otherwise, he was wildly abusing and using very strong language.
Once he started losing, he threatened to throw the game to Russia, letting him have all his SCs unless we turned all against Russia. When I pointed out that this was not a way to play, he started firing on me with all he could think of, accusing me of.

by **DougJoe** » Wed Sep 11, 2024 3:38 am

JECE wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:11 pm
I forgot about Ginge86, ha ha. His last game was quite something:

https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4844&sid=54ffa357f014e465528aab77fd596b73&start=40

I only played that one game with him but I won't forget it.

It's too bad the game was cancelled and that we lost the global press. I remember his multi-page-rant-wall-of-text in the global press (checking the game and just that "wait, what?" feeling) but don't remember the specifics, other than it being very froth-at-the-mouthy. Kind of wish I had a copy.

Really, in that game it was both amusing *and* annoying that he thought Jamie was playing Russia (I was playing) and it wasn't until he put words in Russia's mouth (that I would probably never say in a game of Diplomacy with random strangers) thinking that Jamie that said them that really bothered me (because I'd never said what he claimed Russia had said.) I was highly surprised that actually apologized to me (and it seemed sincere) after my response to his allegations about what happened during the game.

by **Pengwinja** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:33 pm

JustAGuyNamedWill wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:18 pm

Pengwinja wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:41 pm

sin(2x) = 2sin(x)cos(x) wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:35 pm
Now that he has been brought up, I do remember Ginge86. I remember playing with him on a couple of occasions.

One time, it was on the modern map; he kept me alive when he could've helped kill me. I assume he didn't want other nations to get part of me. When he started getting too powerful, I stabbed him, and I think he got a bit upset, but he never gave up on trying to save himself through the press. Another time, I don't remember the details, but he was highly active in the press, and I remember he was very meticulous about his plans.

I think the game that was the tipping point was this game on the modern map, where either he or the person he was accused of cheating was playing France, and I was safely on the other side of the board. The cheating accusations came out, and he just couldn't let it go. I remember even a moderator having to step in. I guess this is when he started moving his accusations onto the forums. I never used to read the forums, and I slowly quit the game shortly after to focus on school, so I never found out about him getting banned.

I enjoyed playing with him, though, for the most part. Aside from the cheating accusations, he seemed decent and talked a lot. I can see how he got banned after reading this thread, though.
Were you playing on an alt account? It doesn’t seem to show any games in your profile…
Yeah… you have no games recorded Mr. Sin(x)

Its probably an alt or a bot, but he posted in a different thread so its probably someones illegal alt account

Probably a misunderstanding tbh.

by **JustAGuyNamedWill** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:18 pm

Pengwinja wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:41 pm

sin(2x) = 2sin(x)cos(x) wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:35 pm
Now that he has been brought up, I do remember Ginge86. I remember playing with him on a couple of occasions.

One time, it was on the modern map; he kept me alive when he could've helped kill me. I assume he didn't want other nations to get part of me. When he started getting too powerful, I stabbed him, and I think he got a bit upset, but he never gave up on trying to save himself through the press. Another time, I don't remember the details, but he was highly active in the press, and I remember he was very meticulous about his plans.

I think the game that was the tipping point was this game on the modern map, where either he or the person he was accused of cheating was playing France, and I was safely on the other side of the board. The cheating accusations came out, and he just couldn't let it go. I remember even a moderator having to step in. I guess this is when he started moving his accusations onto the forums. I never used to read the forums, and I slowly quit the game shortly after to focus on school, so I never found out about him getting banned.

I enjoyed playing with him, though, for the most part. Aside from the cheating accusations, he seemed decent and talked a lot. I can see how he got banned after reading this thread, though.
Were you playing on an alt account? It doesn’t seem to show any games in your profile…

Yeah… you have no games recorded Mr. Sin(x)

Its probably an alt or a bot, but he posted in a different thread so its probably someones illegal alt account

by **Pengwinja** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:41 pm

sin(2x) = 2sin(x)cos(x) wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:35 pm
Now that he has been brought up, I do remember Ginge86. I remember playing with him on a couple of occasions.

One time, it was on the modern map; he kept me alive when he could've helped kill me. I assume he didn't want other nations to get part of me. When he started getting too powerful, I stabbed him, and I think he got a bit upset, but he never gave up on trying to save himself through the press. Another time, I don't remember the details, but he was highly active in the press, and I remember he was very meticulous about his plans.

I think the game that was the tipping point was this game on the modern map, where either he or the person he was accused of cheating was playing France, and I was safely on the other side of the board. The cheating accusations came out, and he just couldn't let it go. I remember even a moderator having to step in. I guess this is when he started moving his accusations onto the forums. I never used to read the forums, and I slowly quit the game shortly after to focus on school, so I never found out about him getting banned.

I enjoyed playing with him, though, for the most part. Aside from the cheating accusations, he seemed decent and talked a lot. I can see how he got banned after reading this thread, though.

Were you playing on an alt account? It doesn’t seem to show any games in your profile…

by **sin(2x) = 2sin(x)cos(x)** » Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:35 pm

Now that he has been brought up, I do remember Ginge86. I remember playing with him on a couple of occasions.

One time, it was on the modern map; he kept me alive when he could've helped kill me. I assume he didn't want other nations to get part of me. When he started getting too powerful, I stabbed him, and I think he got a bit upset, but he never gave up on trying to save himself through the press. Another time, I don't remember the details, but he was highly active in the press, and I remember he was very meticulous about his plans.

I think the game that was the tipping point was this game on the modern map, where either he or the person he was accused of cheating was playing France, and I was safely on the other side of the board. The cheating accusations came out, and he just couldn't let it go. I remember even a moderator having to step in. I guess this is when he started moving his accusations onto the forums. I never used to read the forums, and I slowly quit the game shortly after to focus on school, so I never found out about him getting banned.

I enjoyed playing with him, though, for the most part. Aside from the cheating accusations, he seemed decent and talked a lot. I can see how he got banned after reading this thread, though.

by **Octavious** » Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:18 pm

For your peace of mind, I don't believe that any cruelty to animals was discussed in the donkey punch thread

by **kingofthepirates** » Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:32 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:06 pm
Would you say that was more infamous than the donkey punch thread?

The WHAT thread? Someone is punching donkeys? That sounds like animal abuse idk someone might want to get peta on the line :shrug:

If the context for this can be shared I’d love to know. If not then disregard.

by **Octavious** » Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:13 pm

And didn't Draugnar run the Leagues at some point? Or am I misremembering?

by **Octavious** » Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:06 pm

Would you say that was more infamous than the donkey punch thread? If memory serves that was one of a handful of threads, if not the only thread, that was considered bad enough to be physically expunged from the site.

And I'd say mapleleaf's discussions with obiwanobiwan got considerably worse. Draugnar's threats were like being attacked by an angry bluebottle. Lots of energy, but ultimately harmless

by **Wattsthematter** » Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:05 pm

brainbomb wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:00 pm
On second thought maybe im pretty satisfied that guys gone

Draugnar is another Brainbomb alt

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