Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo: do you believe yourself a better judge of my alignment than ghug?

If so, can you provide examples of where you were right and he was wrong?

If not, why do you believe this is an exception?

Do you have any opinion on the D1 stuff with brain and how it does or does not shed light on my alignment?

We're going to logic our way into another miskill like we did with ghug.

No, but this could be an exception. ghug also said foodcoats was town and you seem to think he was wrong about that.

During D1, I thought it seemed like you were overreacting to what brainbomb said, possibly to discredit his suspicion of you. I know what ghug said, but I do not know what he is referring to about Fluminator.

I do think it is possible you were unlucky D1, but defending the 2 known mafia D1 EOD is going to make you look suspicious. Why did you believe these things:

I will not vote Bunny, food, or sweet today.

I'm not really seeing any reason to vote Hamilton either.

This Hamilton wagon out of nowhere feels really wrong.

Bunch of openwolfing going on to protect damo

[bozotheclown]

Despite what ghug said, I think Chaqa should be the next DK, then probably foodcoats, before assuming someone was hard bussing sweetandcool.

Food first please. If he flips town I will then happily vote Chaqa.

If Chaqa also flips town we have a hard busser playing tremendously well. I doubt this is the case though.

I am OK with this. While Chaqa's voting looks worse, I have found foodcoats somewhat suspicious since D1.

[Chaqa]

@Bozo: do you believe yourself a better judge of my alignment than ghug?

If so, can you provide examples of where you were right and he was wrong?

If not, why do you believe this is an exception?

Do you have any opinion on the D1 stuff with brain and how it does or does not shed light on my alignment?

We're going to logic our way into another miskill like we did with ghug.

No, but this could be an exception. ghug also said foodcoats was town and you seem to think he was wrong about that.

During D1, I thought it seemed like you were overreacting to what brainbomb said, possibly to discredit his suspicion of you. I know what ghug said, but I do not know what he is referring to about Fluminator.

I do think it is possible you were unlucky D1, but defending the 2 known mafia D1 EOD is going to make you look suspicious. Why did you believe these things:

I will not vote Bunny, food, or sweet today.

I'm not really seeing any reason to vote Hamilton either.

This Hamilton wagon out of nowhere feels really wrong.

Bunch of openwolfing going on to protect damo

I don't know the game number off the top of my head, but Fluminator essentially gaslit me severely in the game thread that I should feel bad for (rightly) suspecting him of being mafia, and then there was a pretty major blowup about it afterward in Discord (maybe elsewhere).

[Chaqa]

@Bozo: do you believe yourself a better judge of my alignment than ghug?

If so, can you provide examples of where you were right and he was wrong?

If not, why do you believe this is an exception?

Do you have any opinion on the D1 stuff with brain and how it does or does not shed light on my alignment?

We're going to logic our way into another miskill like we did with ghug.

No, but this could be an exception. ghug also said foodcoats was town and you seem to think he was wrong about that.

During D1, I thought it seemed like you were overreacting to what brainbomb said, possibly to discredit his suspicion of you. I know what ghug said, but I do not know what he is referring to about Fluminator.

I do think it is possible you were unlucky D1, but defending the 2 known mafia D1 EOD is going to make you look suspicious. Why did you believe these things:

I will not vote Bunny, food, or sweet today.

I'm not really seeing any reason to vote Hamilton either.

This Hamilton wagon out of nowhere feels really wrong.

Bunch of openwolfing going on to protect damo

For the second half -

I have had a strong town read on Bunny all game. This continues.

I don't recall exactly why I did not want to vote Food at the time. I think we can agree it was unimportant given the current game state. As for Sweet - I did not understand the case against him, and was under the impression it was scum-led.

I felt similarly about the case on Hamilton, and even once we had caught them I still did not really understand why:

here's where I'm at

Town Gang
brainbomb
BunnyGo
Jamie

Scum Gang
Bozo
Damo
Will

Sneaky Null Gang
foodcoats
Frogsterking
ghug
Hamilton Brian
heartthrob24909
sweetandcool
Vecna

I think I've explained the non-null reads in my postings, but I can elaborate if needed.

I will not vote Bunny, food, or sweet today.

I'm not really seeing any reason to vote Hamilton either.

Chaqa essentially said he would not vote for any of his counter wagons except damo, despite specifically not town reading Hamilton and sweetandcool an hour earlier.

If you read all of my posts, I was skeptical of the lack of cases on sweet and Hamilton. I’m still not sure how we caught them besides dumb luck

At the end of the day, it was a vote to save my townread Bunny. You should find this consistent with how I play as town. You have an excellent memory, you know I do defend my town reads vigorously.

[bozotheclown]

foodcoats established a scum read on Hamilton N1 and early D2:

It only benefits us both if you are town.

Can you put the 6 of us who did not vote for sweetandcool in the order you think we are likely to be mafia?

im not considering Ghug and Chaqas vote a serious vote on Sleep, so ill even include those.

Also, my opinions of people are currently changing rather rapidly.

Least likely scum:
Brainbomb

foodcoats (not based on personal reads - I still hold on to my earlier gut theyre town)
jamiet

Darg
Ghug/Chaqa

HB
most likely scum ^


Im still waffling on where id put you (bozo) in that list.

Yeah I think HB is very likely scum

Alright moving on.

##VOTE Hamilton Brian

However, at EOD, foodcoats tried to get brainbomb DKed over Hamilton:

If you mean about my “setting up yourself later” post, this is not the first time I’ve noticed it. This was the most blatant example of it though.

I merely meant that imo u r accurate

Damo would you vote brain? I would.

Let’s all vote brain.

##VOTE brainbomb

foodcoats then ended up voting for Hamilton before the DK was decided, but after Just had shifted the momentum to Hamilton:

Bleh

##VOTE Hamilton Brian

I think foodcoats D2 is consistent with him being prepared to bus Hamilton, but trying to divert the DK is possible.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

GO LISTEN TO GOOD MUSIC!!

Even my 10 year old knows and likes them!

I was merely referencing Marvin

True. He should go read good books also.

Hey, I read books! Slander

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@Bozo: do you believe yourself a better judge of my alignment than ghug?

If so, can you provide examples of where you were right and he was wrong?

If not, why do you believe this is an exception?

Do you have any opinion on the D1 stuff with brain and how it does or does not shed light on my alignment?

We're going to logic our way into another miskill like we did with ghug.

No, but this could be an exception. ghug also said foodcoats was town and you seem to think he was wrong about that.

During D1, I thought it seemed like you were overreacting to what brainbomb said, possibly to discredit his suspicion of you. I know what ghug said, but I do not know what he is referring to about Fluminator.

I do think it is possible you were unlucky D1, but defending the 2 known mafia D1 EOD is going to make you look suspicious. Why did you believe these things:

I will not vote Bunny, food, or sweet today.

I'm not really seeing any reason to vote Hamilton either.

This Hamilton wagon out of nowhere feels really wrong.

Bunch of openwolfing going on to protect damo

I don't know the game number off the top of my head, but Fluminator essentially gaslit me severely in the game thread that I should feel bad for (rightly) suspecting him of being mafia, and then there was a pretty major blowup about it afterward in Discord (maybe elsewhere).

Gaslighting is not an okay mafia tactic imo

[bozotheclown]

guilty
guilty
guilty
guilty
guilty

##vote foodcoats
##end

Its bunny and food.

Thank you friends. This was my greatest moment

What makes you think it is Bunny and I?

This is Dr. Foosier Croats… I’m listening.

I think it was obvious brainbomb was claiming to be the cop with a mafia scan on foodcoats, the only question was whether he was fake claiming or not.

I still think there is a good chance foodcoats believed brainbomb's claim was real because he had no reason not to, and was preparing to counter claim doctor to at least force the doctor to CC, thinking brainbomb had already revealed himself as the cop.

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo: do you believe yourself a better judge of my alignment than ghug?

If so, can you provide examples of where you were right and he was wrong?

If not, why do you believe this is an exception?

Do you have any opinion on the D1 stuff with brain and how it does or does not shed light on my alignment?

We're going to logic our way into another miskill like we did with ghug.

No, but this could be an exception. ghug also said foodcoats was town and you seem to think he was wrong about that.

During D1, I thought it seemed like you were overreacting to what brainbomb said, possibly to discredit his suspicion of you. I know what ghug said, but I do not know what he is referring to about Fluminator.

I do think it is possible you were unlucky D1, but defending the 2 known mafia D1 EOD is going to make you look suspicious. Why did you believe these things:

I will not vote Bunny, food, or sweet today.

I'm not really seeing any reason to vote Hamilton either.

This Hamilton wagon out of nowhere feels really wrong.

Bunch of openwolfing going on to protect damo

I don't know the game number off the top of my head, but Fluminator essentially gaslit me severely in the game thread that I should feel bad for (rightly) suspecting him of being mafia, and then there was a pretty major blowup about it afterward in Discord (maybe elsewhere).

OK, but I think what you did D1 would be in the normal range of trying to divert suspicion as mafia and not something that would be considered offensive.

[bozotheclown]

This is Dr. Foosier Croats… I’m listening.

Youre gonna claim now that you didnt try to out the doctor here? And that this wasnt prompted by your concern maybe me or
Ghug really had a scan on you.

How is this pro town?

Isnt that your main argument is that our play was anti town?

This is what a caught wolf does in desperation to flush the doc out for their last teammate

No, this was me making a joke based on the similarities between my username and the titular protagonist of the popular 90s sitcom Fraser, to needle you and ghug by suggesting you need psychiatric help.

However, it’s important you brought this up, because I had thought you were doc-reading me for another reason. And since Chaqa asked…

I was roleblocked.

I thought that scum!brain had hypothesized in the scum chat that I was doctor, as the more logical inference seemed to be to think I was going to claim cop, and I found the focus on doc bizarre… unless brain had convinced himself I was doc and therefore RBd me.

This makes brain ever so slightly less scummy.

The late role block claim and using it to defend against brainbomb is also suspicious.

[bozotheclown]

Just my two cents…

If it’s not bozo the game is a lot more complicated. I think there are a number of other people who feel the same way - including our two dead townies. So if we don’t flip bozo today then bozo is still going to be a wagon tomorrow, barring a guilty scan.

I really like what bozo is doing right now and I’m obviously not 100% but I think there are enough ideas around bozo that if we don’t flip bozo we’re going to be playing less productive days because we will always be comparing bozo to someone else.

I'm pretty much in the same boat Food is. I think it's Bozo. If it isn't Bozo, I need to re-evaluate a lot of things, so I want to go ahead and resolve that before worrying about anything else that's going on here.

If I had to pick a second candidate, it would be Dargo.

That is not what foodcoats said. foodcoats basically town read me but wants to DK me anyway.

I do have bozo as my most likely 3rd scum. I merely wanted to indicate, because I am pushing hard to DK bozo, that I already feel bad if I am wrong, and I recognize I am not the greatest scum hunter.

I think second most likely for me is indeed Chaqa at this time, but there are some other things going on. I feel like brain is trying to hard-distance from the bozo wagon for example, and if bozo flips town I'd actually be very suspicious of brain. Darg has also been interested in distancing from the wagon but there is something to the way darg has done it that pings me less. There are also ways I can see ghug or Bunny being scum, too.

But, at the moment, there are a lot of reasons why I don't think Bunny, brain, darg, or ghug is most likely to be scum, and bozo is just a few notches ahead of Chaqa in terms of my own reads, and also the impassioned way that Vecna indicted bozo has stuck with me.

damo, Frog, and Will are all very unlikely to be scum in my books.

I think that is where my head is at.

I thought these posts D3 could indicate foodcoats had figured out that dargorygel had scanned me and was probably going to clear me before EOD, and was preparing a mis-kill of brainbomb. He basically said he would suspect brainbomb for town reading me but would not suspect dargorygel for town reading me.

[Chaqa]

I wonder if they're agonizing in the god thread over how we let Food get away with that.

[bozotheclown]

Well you didn’t officially recant. Are you doing that now?

What an exhausting thing.

I wrote what I meant.

Okay so now we don’t know if bozo is clear. Great.

I demand to know the truth.

##VOTE bozo

This is also suspicious, I would expect foodcoats to understand what dargorygel was doing.

[bozotheclown]

To summarize, I still think Chaqa and foodcoats are the most likely to be the remaining mafia, but I would probably go with foodcoats first.

[bozotheclown]

If foodcoats is mafia and made it to the final 3 with the doctor, he could claim he really is the doctor and point to that post, so I think he should be resolved before that.

[bozotheclown]

If HB is scum, would HB have chosen to kill Jamie? I think that if HB is scum, there is someone more devilish playing with him.

This is funny is foodcoats is mafia.

[bozotheclown]

If HB is scum, would HB have chosen to kill Jamie? I think that if HB is scum, there is someone more devilish playing with him.

This is funny if foodcoats is mafia.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I wrote what I meant.

Okay so now we don’t know if bozo is clear. Great.

I demand to know the truth.

##VOTE bozo

This is also suspicious, I would expect foodcoats to understand what dargorygel was doing.

Could have been a convincing play-along, but idk

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

If HB is scum, would HB have chosen to kill Jamie? I think that if HB is scum, there is someone more devilish playing with him.

This is funny is foodcoats is mafia.

Lol yea

[foodcoats]

Just czeching in, can't stay away from Mafia forever I guess. Sorry I wasn't around to nighthammer.

So the main reason I am resigned to dying is my voting. It's unfortunate that I strongly townread sweet and second-guessed my read on HB and I can't blame town for thinking I'm scum for that.

However, I am going to protest any talk of how me getting angry at the fake claims is scummy. It's actually just me being a town player who does not care to be misled by other town. I expect to be misled by the mafia but I see no benefit to being misled by, or for me to mislead, other town. It literally just makes it harder to solve the game. And if one of the reasons you think I am scum is because of those interactions, you are going to find out, shocker, that town fakeclaiming is bad for town solving because I'm town and fakeclaiming just leads to miskilling (I can 10,000% guarantee you I would have approached those claims much more carefully if I was scum). Similarly, it's bad because it soured me towards both brain and ghug; I might've been better able to judge them if we hadn't had that rocky patch between us. I think the whole thing is egotistical and uncooperative and those are not traits that benefit town. On the other hand, perhaps it's just the quirks of this little group and you are all used to this kind of shenanigans between you, but since I am less in tune with the community it just made it extra hard to sort stuff in my head.

I am going to hold onto my "It's Bunny" guess and see how well my gut turns out, although my analysis points to Will.