MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

@Bunny and @Koala you see Chaqa is with you on lfischl. If lfischl flips town can we please flip Chaqa next?

You and chaqa do love a bus.

When scum, especially if you think you’re losing, you write short sentences, you get snarkier, you try less hard.

You also once carried our scum team to victory when Jamie and I were caught early. So I know you CAN do well. But you do worse when you’re resigned. You once surrender a game when I begged you to play it out.

I don’t think scum!Damo is happy here. So I’m expecting him to play like last game.

I wish I could articulate my vibes/thoughts as well as you do lol...

[Balki Bartokomous]

Day 1 End of Day

FINAL DAY ONE VOTE COUNT:

pyxxy(5) - BunnyGo, bozotheclown, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48, yavuzovic
Worcej(3)- Ghug, Chaqa, Lfischl
BunnyGo(2) - Balki Bartokomous, pyxxy
Damo666(1) - Rdrivera
bozotheclown(1) - KoalaAttack
Rdrivera2005(1) - damo666
ghug(1) - worcej

PM me in the next 5 minutes if you think I have made any mistake in the above count. Otherwise KEEP HOLDING.

If I had to gamble, I'd say one scum on pyxxy, one on worcej, and one on a vanity wagon, but that is hardly conclusive. That would mean, there is exactly one scum in these three pairs:

BoSox/Bozo
Chaqa/Lfischl
Damo/rdrivera

Sitting here now, my gut tells me BoSox/Chaqa/rdrivera...

A whole lot of OMGUS in this vote isn't there?

[BunnyGo]

Heads up: I'll not be making EOD, and will be around limited before that; the storm was bigger than expected.

I think I'm leaving my vote on fish.

I'll do a search for @Bun* whenever I come back, so tag me for anything you want to make sure I see.

@Bunny - not 100% caught up, but to be fast: fisch over rdr for sure?

No...not sure. But I liked koala's point about it. Balki has some good references too.

[BunnyGo]

Day 1 End of Day

FINAL DAY ONE VOTE COUNT:

pyxxy(5) - BunnyGo, bozotheclown, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48, yavuzovic
Worcej(3)- Ghug, Chaqa, Lfischl
BunnyGo(2) - Balki Bartokomous, pyxxy
Damo666(1) - Rdrivera
bozotheclown(1) - KoalaAttack
Rdrivera2005(1) - damo666
ghug(1) - worcej

PM me in the next 5 minutes if you think I have made any mistake in the above count. Otherwise KEEP HOLDING.

If I had to gamble, I'd say one scum on pyxxy, one on worcej, and one on a vanity wagon, but that is hardly conclusive. That would mean, there is exactly one scum in these three pairs:

BoSox/Bozo
Chaqa/Lfischl
Damo/rdrivera

Sitting here now, my gut tells me BoSox/Chaqa/rdrivera...

A whole lot of OMGUS in this vote isn't there?

I'm leaving now, but if you have time, can you compare those possible teams on the Day 2 votes?

[worcej]

Heads up: I'll not be making EOD, and will be around limited before that; the storm was bigger than expected.

I think I'm leaving my vote on fish.

I'll do a search for @Bun* whenever I come back, so tag me for anything you want to make sure I see.

@Bunny - not 100% caught up, but to be fast: fisch over rdr for sure?

No...not sure. But I liked koala's point about it. Balki has some good references too.

I'm not disagreeing and the content/examples I see are more prominent with fisch here.

But the vibes from rdr are fucking strong to me that he's scum!coasting - which is exactly what he would do here given the position they have been in. Couple the fact I've been kept alive and not RB'ed (probably because they don't have one) is leading me to wipe my thinking clear and re-approach.

[worcej]

##vote rdr

[worcej]

I feel, on self-assessment, that I typically tunnel and dominate the thread. Reviewing who I have been dominating/content spewing at is indeed town, it makes sense to keep me around and attempt to kill outside my range of potential targets.

I think the ghug kill was the above, but also an attempt to lock the thought of scum!bo into our memory for this phase due to the forced tie and break off to yavu.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Night 1 Bonus Vote Data Courtesy of Everyone's Favorite Early 90s Sit Com Character

Unofficial night vote count:
lfischl (2): worcej, bo
worcej (4): Koala, lfischl, Chaqa; Brian
damo (2): rd; Balki
Brian (1): ghug

3 minutes left.

I am liking the potential Chaqa/Bo scum pairing more and more as I read.

[Balki Bartokomous]

you're doing the exact same thing you did last time, Balki had just said he wasn't gonna end and you should have understood that meant it probably wasn't happening.

I simply don't believe you're that incapable of learning a lesson, therefore you can't be really the doctor.

4 end votes was the line. You, and 3 others, helped cross it.

I am arguably incredibly consistent on claiming "earlier than what the community likes" and give zero fucks about your opinion on this because it's based on my opinion on how this community can react. I don't feel like I needed to learn anything from last game, which I had to do because I had a meeting scheduled at my job right at phase end and felt compelled to issue the claim because of it.

So, you don't believe me and quite frankly I don't care because I am the most confident that you're scum right now.

I am literally a PR.

What's going on here, @Chaqa? What is the point of this post?

I'm definitely a person who can understand that there are reasons, as VT, to fake a claim. Here you are using the fake claim as a one-line defense to a push on you. That seems pretty disingenuous. Why did you do this?

[Balki Bartokomous]

For my activity, sorry I haven't been around as much, I had a pretty awful weekend with some personal stuff and then I got sick, but I should be around more tonight and tomorrow.

For the PR's, I do think worcej's doctor claim is truthful, and I would be open to flipping someone like chaqa because I don't believe his claim

This isn't quite unpairing to me between lfischl and Chaqa, but it gives me slight town points for lfischl in the event that Chaqa is scum.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I feel like bo is super obv town, but that's me.

I think worc is mafia, but I'd vote yavu.

@Chaqa, why did you think Bo was "super obv town"? (This was during Day 2)

[Chaqa]

It is possible, at some point rdrivera will draw mafia, and I am curious to see what he does.

Here was rdrivera's first post in M1023:



Although the "unnecessary will" is apparently not alignment indicative, I do find the similarity of the posts suspicious, especially the part about forgetting the game had started.

I think it is almost certain Bozo and rdr are not both scum.

This is noteworthy.

I'm not yet sure what I take away from it. But it's pretty noteworthy. The whole thing.

I think I agree with Damo that rdrivera and Bozo are not paired. And I think it's a thoughtful and useful point from Damo. Lots to unpack here.

The game before m1023, for reference:

@bozo I think rdrivera said he would no longer be doing his trademark thing. I've spoilt it.

I am a 100%confirmed vanilla Kobold ®, it seems I will have to change to claiming it at my first post every game, lol.

I don't think we need to worry about rivera.

[Chaqa]

To follow up, Damo would be able to say for sure rdr and Bozo arent on a team together if RDR is town and bozo and damo are mafia

[Chaqa]

Who wants to flash wagon Bo for fun

I don't think bo is scum here

Ahhhhh...this feels kinda unpairing from Lfischl and Bo....

This is near the wire on Day 1. It feels a little too strong for someone to say about a scum partner late in the Day 1 phase. I feel like a scum!lfischl would be hesitant to defend a teammate like that right in this moment.

I feel like my eagerness to flash wagon Bo should disprove bo-Chaqa pairings

[Balki Bartokomous]

Another reason Chaqa is unlikely to be town PR is there is a maximum of only one left.
It is pretty obvious Koala is gambler.

News to me (re: Koala)

And I do not retract my claim.

It’s pretty comedic worcej is voting for a claimed PR while crying about being a claimed PR under suspicion

Here is Chaqa trying to defend himself from a vote with his PR claim again.

[Chaqa]

Night 1 Bonus Vote Data Courtesy of Everyone's Favorite Early 90s Sit Com Character

Unofficial night vote count:
lfischl (2): worcej, bo
worcej (4): Koala, lfischl, Chaqa; Brian
damo (2): rd; Balki
Brian (1): ghug

3 minutes left.

I am liking the potential Chaqa/Bo scum pairing more and more as I read.

HAH. Glad I'm Flavius-ing this, this is hilarious coming after my last post.

[Chaqa]

4 end votes was the line. You, and 3 others, helped cross it.

I am arguably incredibly consistent on claiming "earlier than what the community likes" and give zero fucks about your opinion on this because it's based on my opinion on how this community can react. I don't feel like I needed to learn anything from last game, which I had to do because I had a meeting scheduled at my job right at phase end and felt compelled to issue the claim because of it.

So, you don't believe me and quite frankly I don't care because I am the most confident that you're scum right now.

I am literally a PR.

What's going on here, @Chaqa? What is the point of this post?

I'm definitely a person who can understand that there are reasons, as VT, to fake a claim. Here you are using the fake claim as a one-line defense to a push on you. That seems pretty disingenuous. Why did you do this?

Honestly?

I didn't want to get into an argument with worcej, who I was pretty convinced was fake claiming

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think that enough cats are out of enough bags that we should mass claim. This is especially true here where we may have items (guns, etc.) that we can give to our clear townies, should we get any from this exercise.

I would suggest that we claim in an organized way. Either (a) we set an order here in this thread and insist that people claim in that order, or else (b) we set a time when everyone is available and we claim at that exact time.

I am pretty sure that (b) is preferable, but only if we can coordinate it and everyone is available at the same time. And if we do this, the sooner the better.

I am going to propose right now that we do a mass claim in 1 hour and 48 minutes, at 10:00 am PT. Please confirm that you agree and are available at that time.

I think we should scumhunt, as we have been doing, more and PR hunt less. Even if we mass claim the scumteam will just be claiming VT here; they have much more room to hide among the vanilla group than the PR claimant we already know about and the softer claims that will be much more obvious when they are ready to be. Save this for D3.

Reading it a second time, this post still does not sit well with me.

[Chaqa]

I feel like bo is super obv town, but that's me.

I think worc is mafia, but I'd vote yavu.

@Chaqa, why did you think Bo was "super obv town"? (This was during Day 2)

It's all vibes, man. I still think he's town.

[Chaqa]

For what it's worth, Balki & others, I do see how scummy this all looks.

I don't really play mafia with the thought of "how will this look later?" in mind unless I'm town.

I miss ghug.