Finished: 08 PM Fri 09 Mar 12 UTC
A power struggle
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 280 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
27 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: You had the stalemate position, but Trieste supported the wrong unit's hold. It might now just be curtains for you.
27 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: I could see if there's a stalemate that can withstand the loss of Vienna. There probably is. Then the next question is if it's attainable, and especially if it's attainable without Turkey needing to take over an Italian-controlled supply center.
27 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: The only ones I see that withstand the loss of Vienna also require control of Tyrolia, Piedmont, Tuscany, Tyrrhenian Sea, Tunis, and a stalemate condition held at Gibraltar. That implies a dead French player.
27 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: yes yes, we can all see that it should have been Trieste->Vienna not Trieste->Venice, not my fault they are right next to each other in the list. The only thing I think remains to be seen is if someone thinks they can solo or if they will settle for the 2 way draw. And if they intend to solo how they will play it.
28 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: True that. Easy mistake to make; sorry it happened.
29 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: Well, I do believe that was a fatal stab
29 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: I do believe you are right.
29 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: Stabbage cabbage! lolomg.
29 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: This game makes a great spectator sport. I'm glad I can still find it.
29 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 1908: 8 SC to 3 in a year and a all, looking forward to the next one when I know how retreats work, I double check my orders, and I don't end up playing Italy without an ally. And I hope for at least one more entertaining turn of fortune.
01 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1908: Italy is famously difficult to play. I congratulate you on even surviving so long.
02 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1908: I tolllllld you (Italy/Turkey, cough-cough Turkey) that you were up against an unbreakable two-player alliance and that your only chance of surviving was to force a stalemate and four-country draw. But no, you wouldn't listen. Now you're dying at their hands.
02 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1908: Well, that and the fact that Italy gave a wrong order by mistake.
02 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1908: except for the wrong order it wasnt very good of me to do that stab. so the fault is mine!
but also it takes too long and becomes too boring anyway!
Germany knows that i am telling the truth about that and that is not any excuse cause i am losing.
anyway next time we must play a faster game cause so slow its a little bit annoying :P
02 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1908: Fair enough, yes. And the Italian mis-order was very much a problem. If you could have held that stalemate line for even two seasons (and shown that it was a published stalemate line at that), then it would have been quite a simple matter to force the draw. I doubt the Carolingian emperors would have wanted to draw it out in hopes of watching a mis-order happen at the right time for them.`
02 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1908: yes, of course, amazing how an order in one season can alter the entire dynamics of the game. BUt I think turkey would have stabbed anyway rather than holding the line, hence the taking of Moscow and the building of armies :)
02 Mar 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: I thought maybe the open SC at Venice could provoke a G/F spat, but they are not easily baited :P
03 Mar 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Remember how Germany evened their numbers by convoying a French army into a supply center he'd already controlled? Like I said: These players are far too loyal to each other to stab for a solo victory.
04 Mar 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Italy lives! I love the Beleaguered Garrison rule :)
05 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1909: AWESOME. Turkey has an utterly useless army stranded in Apulia!
05 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Psst Turkey. You should order Apulia move to Spain via convoy.
06 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Who are we waiting on? Oh yes, France as usual.
06 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Missed turn even though had logged in multiple times. Poor form France :P
06 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1909: German solo victory, now inevitable. Well played.
06 Mar 12 UTC Oh crap crap crap I didn't play. Aaaaaarghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
06 Mar 12 UTC At least your cabbage didn't get any stabbage.
07 Mar 12 UTC Well, this game is practically done.
07 Mar 12 UTC Since Turkey quit playing and I missed a round I guess that we cannot compete for world domination anymore, dear Germany.
07 Mar 12 UTC Verdammt!

I guess you're right. Let' draw then, and begin anew.
07 Mar 12 UTC Password protect it? So we don't end up with another Russia (and people that like being in character in negotiations are nice, no matter the character. Too many games lately where all I get is "Silesia DMZ k?" :) )
07 Mar 12 UTC Well, I've tried that, before and it failed. We need to find a group of seven.

Can I count on at least France, Italy, myself, England, and perhaps Turkey for another game? Anyone else? I think I might bring a friend or too, as well.

Turkey should promise not to quit if the game drags on too long, though.
07 Mar 12 UTC If you post in the forums a broad description of the type of Diplo player you want, I bet you will get a few IMs. In my brief experience on this site there seem to be enough lazy/boring players, that the people who really like the game in its non gunboat variant are always on the lookout for well matched games with lots of strategizing. Also I know have mastered retreats and which spaces actually border other spaces, I am much more dangerous now. Beware!
07 Mar 12 UTC now*
07 Mar 12 UTC I think I know someone who is interested...
07 Mar 12 UTC But we'll still be missing one person (and that's after Turkey promises not to quit).
07 Mar 12 UTC Hmm. I might be able two produce two people, even. Let's see...
07 Mar 12 UTC *to
07 Mar 12 UTC Haha, it's so funny how you put your asterisks on different sides of the word.

Well, I have tried exactly that and failed, Italy. We can start two games, a private one for talkative players alone, with enough join time, and an open one so that we have something to do until the talkative one begins. What say you?

Also, anonymous?
07 Mar 12 UTC I am waiting for two people's answers for the next game. One of them is guaranteed fun.
07 Mar 12 UTC I am still interested in playing the next game, and yes - preferably under anonymous circumstances. I have a friend who may be willing to play, too -- screen name zestythelemon.
07 Mar 12 UTC I like how there seems to be a bit of a stab going on here. Before I had been afraid that the Carolignian Empire would just overrun Europe into a two-way draw.
07 Mar 12 UTC Yes, awesome, open and anonymous game (think I played in a live game with Zesty just recently) and longer private game
07 Mar 12 UTC longer wait time I mean to see if you can get some actors on board
07 Mar 12 UTC Ah, England, you keep giving your points away. Now I need to set the pot in the public game to 13, which will attract all the quitters :P
07 Mar 12 UTC So, private game here:

Password: NoNMRs,please. (dot included)
08 Mar 12 UTC we've got the player I mentioned I can bring in :)
08 Mar 12 UTC draw with Turkey included. boo. :)
08 Mar 12 UTC Nicely played, all. I wouldn't have found this new game unless I'd been deliberately searching through the global chatboxes for amusement value. If the game hasn't filled in 48 hours, we should contact the others -- that means you, Germany/France. I don't know exactly who you spoke to.
08 Mar 12 UTC Draw with Turkey because I am still learning the game and thought that we get points according to our supply centres. :P
09 Mar 12 UTC Okay, another friend joined, now it's me, Italy, Germany, England and two people Germany and I invited. We need one more who fits in with the spirit of the table and we're good to go. Will Turkey play with us after all?

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