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Finished: 01 PM Mon 20 Feb 12 UTC
Private The Inter-Disciplinary Invitational
1 day /phase
Pot: 629 D - Spring, 2015, Finished
World Diplomacy IX, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
01 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Pacific-Russia]:And I can still see the messages, even if my forces are but a faint memory in the order history
01 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [India]:Alright then, since I'll never forgive myself for holding a Meeting of the Minds in different fields and NOT bringing up the question we've debated countless times:

God--still alive and kicking, or has he vanished in a puff of logic?

(I pick the later, and I'll go so far as to call organized religion, especially here in the US, one of the biggest roadblocks towards progress and, in particular, progress in education, science, and culture, here in the US...so yeah, that's my two cents...)
01 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Europe]:I believe in God, being raised Catholic and all, but I don't believe things are anything like what was described in the Bible.
01 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Ghana]:FFFUUU
01 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Pacific-Russia]:I find the evidence for the existance of God (in any form) to be non existant. I guess I'm technically agnostic, as I am aware you cannot disprove the existance of God. However, to all intents and purposes I'm an athiest. I am comfortable that we have fairly good models for the formation of the universe beyond the big bang, and evolution is the only game in town for the existance of life. I'm also comfortable saying we don't know (and almost certainly will never know) exactly how life started. I'm not even sure we have a good defining line between life and non-life
01 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Ghana]:I am a christian and from a Calvinist tradition. I believe in God, but I'm not very busy trying to prove His existence or non-existence. Compare it to using computers but checking every time binary code really works. I don't do that. I want to be a follower of Jesus Christ and that means action!

And frankly I don't like discussions like this on an anonymous international forum. Most of the time we're not getting anywhere.
01 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Ghana]:BTW, where did all those draw votes come from?
02 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Frozen-Antarctica]:Why do I keep having to cancel a "Pause" vote? I've haven't voted to Pause so why does it say that next to my name?
02 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [India]:True, but it makes for a good conversation...

Anyway, before I leave the topic...I have to ask:

Noah--how could THAT have possibly worked out? Millions of species...from 7 continents...on one boat? Or even just the animals in Noah's area--still, that's thousands of creatures, and two of every kid, THAT'S destroying any future genetic diversity, and anyway, how would the predator and prey situation work out? The food? The waste?

For that matter, in the words of Ricky Gervais--"What's the squid ever done?" Why kill off the animals at all, THEY didn't do anything wrong...isn't it a bit more work to kill them all off and have them repopulate little by little, rather than just whisk them all into the cornfield, er, Heaven for a bit, and then put them back at the end? (And what about the fish? That much rainwater'd have an adverse affect on the chemical mixture of the water, surely...I'm assuming there weren't any fish on the boats, so...what happened there?)

And if everyone on Earth was suddenly evil...well, how did THAT work, even babies? Poor little babies, just born, they're evil too? And the deaf and blind, they're evil? The elderly? And if everybody was evil, how is it God let this happen AGAIN? First Satan, then the whole Adam/Eve debacle, and here we are again, we're not even fully through Genesis, and God's let three perfectly good things go bad on his watch...I'm starting to question his management capabilities here...

I'm not trying to call you out for being a believer or anything like that, if belief in Jesus makes your life awesome, go for it...I just think Genesis sounds like the kind of creation story Mel Brooks would write as a spoof, not a real account of the beginning of everything by some divine hand...I mean...THE POOR SQUID! ;)
02 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Near-East]:Ah yes. The poor rare south american land squid would have drowned...
02 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Quebec]:Obi, the flood story (which was a common tale through the Middle East in ancient times, not just among the Hebrews) likely had its genesis (pun intended) in the sudden flooding of the basin that we now call the Black Sea a few thousand years ago. It really happened, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone(s) actually survived it by riding it out in a fishing boat or something similar. Add a few little embellishments with each telling, and after a few thousand years the fishing boat becomes an Ark, the flooding a punishment from God, and the scope of the catastrophe becoming global (I'm sure for the folks in the boat it sure looked that way).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_theory
02 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [South-Africa]:Q, wasn't that theory proposed for the Red Sea as well? I could swear I had read about that somewhere.
02 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [India]:No, I know, Tolstoy, that there probably was a big flood in the Middle East, and China, and Greece, and all the rest that have flood stories...

It's a common story, and floods are common enough, and these are primitive people with primitive buildings, so even a small flood would have the effect of a large one today, so put two and two together--yes, I can see where the flood story CAME from...

I'm just saying, if we were to try and take the story as literal truth, the way a LOT of Bible-bangers in the US do today--I've met them, these are the people who will tell you with all seriousness "Yes, God's fully good, so the Holocaust MUST have been a good action, in the long-run, if GOD allowed it--well, we'd have some problems, it seems...some logical problems...and moral problems...and ethical...and geological...
02 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2009: [India]:@South Africa:

Yes, I've read/seen something about the Red Sea too, that they think MAYBE there was something like a quake or eruption nearby, and somehow or another--I dunno how, I'm not a geologist or seismologist--this caused the Sea to temporarily go bare for a bit or moved the water out for a while before it came back...or something like that...
07 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 2011: [Frozen-Antarctica]:Why does this seem so horribly familiar?
http://www.sanitaryum.com/?s=chess+sparta&submit=Search
07 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 2011: [India]:Well, now, it's not all bad news there...White moves first in chess after all...

Maybe that'll give them the tactical advantage they need this time! ;)
07 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 2011: [Argentina]:south africa = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01pQ5Oi3ipA&feature=fvst
07 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 2011: [Frozen-Antarctica]:The tactical advantage they need is 50 yards long and 6 feet wide with sheer cliffs one side and deep sea the other.
07 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 2011: [Frozen-Antarctica]:The tactical advantage they need is 50 yards long and 6 feet wide with sheer cliffs one side and deep sea the other.
07 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Frozen-Antarctica]:O-o - Why did that post twice?
08 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Quebec]:I'm willing to sell my disband orders to the highest bidder. Please submit your offers...
08 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Europe]:Well that worked out surprisingly well for me.
12 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Brazil]:Many have spoken of declaring a draw after Antarctica and South Africa were eliminated, so I want to publicly declare my intent to draw. I understand if some are wanting to wait and see how long things take to wrap up Quebec.
13 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Quebec]:Yeah folks, vote draw now. Don't make me destroy all of you.
13 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2012: [India]:For the record, I'm good after Quebec is out (sorry, Quebec.)
15 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Russia]:Good game to all of you, as this does appear to be wrapping up. Unfortunately I was unable to stay in this for a longer time, but I enjoyed watching an entire world game unfold. Very interesting
15 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2013: [Europe]:I should have known a convoy wouldn't work. Its always so complicated organizing all those fleets.
16 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 2014: [Ghana]:Convoys are a bitch.
16 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 2014: [Ghana]:Anyway, I thought the purpose of this game was to have relevant or semi-relevant discussions. So a few days ago I had a FUIF ('party') in which we talked about spelling, notably the Dutch spelling. Hoewever, English spelling also came along. It is known the English spelling hasn't changed for some hundred years. This results in the spoken language [langwich] is quite different from the written language. You may now the example of the word 'ghoti', properly pronounced as 'fish':

The 'gh' of 'enough'
The 'o' of 'women'
The 'ti' of 'nation'

While this example is a bit lame perhaps, I think it's a genuine question: wouldn't it be time for a wholesale spelling revision, so that the written language would conform more to the fonetic or spoken language?

What do you guys think?
16 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 2014: [Brazil]:I agree wholeheartedly, if only to make me a better speller.
16 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 2014: [Pacific-Russia]:No. If we make English easy and logical, how on earth will we spot all those furriners???
16 Feb 12 UTC Spring, 2014: [Ghana]:LOL. I was about to ask... samthing aboet Canada.
17 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2014: [Near-East]:Also if you say the w in answer, h in ghost, the first a in aardvark, and the t in listen, you could say "what", and no one would hear you.
18 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2014: [Argentina]:interestingly, the few African languages I know are pronounced how you spell them (i only know East African ones) take Swahili for example. once you know how to pronounce the verbs its the same throughout the entire language
Swahili = swa-hee-lee
habari = ha-ba-ree (how are you)
ndio = n-de-oh (good)
hakuna matata = ha-kuu-na ma-ta-ta (no worries)
18 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2014: [Argentina]:*i have know idea how to write phoneticaly so
'a' sounds like the 'a' in "ha"
'i' sounds like 'ee' in "screech"
'e' sounds like the 'e' in "ten"
'o' sounds like "oh"
'u' sounds like 'oo' in "moo"
18 Feb 12 UTC Autumn, 2014: [Argentina]:oh course its not all exactly like that, and there are other sounds that are pronounced differently but overall and in general it all sounds as written
18 Feb 12 UTC [Brazil]:And so the game continues.
18 Feb 12 UTC [India]:Well, on a side note to everything else...

Making it to the Final 5 and lasting to 2015, I think the survivors among us "win" the "Best Discipline" title together...

So score one for English Lit. and Political Science--what was everyone else again?
18 Feb 12 UTC [Brazil]:College Freshman! :D
18 Feb 12 UTC [Oz]:Applied Maths + CS
18 Feb 12 UTC [Brazil]:Yeah computer science! That's one of the majors I'm working on. Plus the minor in math, so it looks like our little techy group is winning, eh?
18 Feb 12 UTC [India]:Cool...so, math whizzes, how does Standard Deviation work for Statistics? :)
18 Feb 12 UTC [Brazil]:Do you want the formula for it?
18 Feb 12 UTC [India]:no...i have that...how does it work? plus, what do i use it for?
18 Feb 12 UTC [Brazil]:Oh okay! Well you have to understand that it is a measure of variability. So if you have a very low standard deviation, all your data is close to the mean, and if it is large data is further way. It's used to measure confidence in statistical conclusions. Like margin of error. Or if your involved in science, a results is statistical significant if it falls far outside of the range of standard deviation. Such as when there were reports of neutrinos going faster than the speed of light. It was only a big deal cause they reported the data being 6 sigma (sigma being the symbol for standard deviation) which is very very very unlikely to happen just through random chance.
19 Feb 12 UTC [Europe]:History and secondary education
19 Feb 12 UTC [India]:Alright, the 3rd draw vote is cast...
19 Feb 12 UTC [Brazil]:That leaves Europe to vote draw.
19 Feb 12 UTC [Oz]:Thanks for the game, gentlemen.
19 Feb 12 UTC [India]:Good game, gentlemen...we have done our disciplines proud (sure, why not?)

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Ghana
Ursa (1259 D)
Drawn. Bet: 37 D, won: 126 D
24 supply-centers, 24 units
India
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
Drawn. Bet: 37 D, won: 126 D
21 supply-centers, 21 units
Europe
Drawn. Bet: 37 D, won: 126 D
18 supply-centers, 18 units
Brazil
KingRishard (948 D)
Drawn. Bet: 37 D, won: 126 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
Oz
Mr A (386 D)
Drawn. Bet: 37 D, won: 126 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Quebec
Tolstoy (1958 D)
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
South-Africa
LakersFan (899 D)
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
USA
sjrd (468 D)
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
Western-Canada
Dan-i-Am 88 (358 D)
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
Pacific-Russia
Pete U (293 D)
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
Near-East
Mafialligator (239 D)
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
Argentina
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
Frozen-Antarctica
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
Kenya
SacredDigits (120 D)
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
Libya
Putin33 (111 D)
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
Russia
patizcool (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
China
ShiningIdeal (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 37 D
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