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Finished: 08 AM Fri 25 Nov 11 UTC
The fall of civilization -2
18 hours /phase
Pot: 344 D - Autumn, 2026, Finished
World Diplomacy IX, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Hernando (0 D X)
14 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2023: [Argentina]:SA, i think it may be best to hold in NW Atlantic. Its important you maintain control there
14 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2023: [South-Africa]:In that case,
Could you support Gulf of Mexico to NWA?
It will be equal to the power USA might sent there, so neither of us will get it,
Whether my Fleet in there manages to move away or not.
14 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2023: [Ghana]:@SA: I'm not going to bother with NEA. I can't take it.
14 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2023: [South-Africa]:Perhaps so,
But that is still good to even try, 2-3-way support from EAO.

At least that will drain some of the Russian forces from acting.

I think, I could move away from Egypt now,
You should move Red Sea to there with the Libyan support (will succeed)
And don't forget to support Algeria from Niger.
14 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2023: [South-Africa]:I will hold the army in Saudi-Arabia, so do not worry.
14 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2023: [Argentina]:SA, wish you hadn't of changed your orders...
14 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2023: [South-Africa]:Yeah, Maybe I wish so too now.

Even though I answered within 30 minutes of your message.
Argh.

Well, The situation is not so bad, We can easily take it back :)
16 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [South-Africa]:@Ghana
I think you should move from EAO to Guiyana this summer,
As if you're not going to bother with the Russians, I would like to do that in your place then.
You could still attack them from the EAO, I could dislodge you so you can then retreat to Guiyana.

@Argentina
If you could choose, would you want to go to NWA, or would you like to support me into there?
I think I am fine in the both ways, Though,
If we support you into there, then we could mobilize more Fleets into the Atlantic.
But tell me what you think.
16 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [South-Africa]:@Ghana
I assume that you are moving your Fleet in the Red Sea to Egypt?
In that case I am going to support you there.
I also assume that you're going to support Morocco into the Libya.
Mauritania -> Morocco
EAO -> Mauri, via retreat is the best.
16 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [Argentina]:SA, I will go to nwa
17 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [Near-East]:Argentina, you could always convoy Venezuela to Union (support from Florida and Deep South) and then support (hold) Northwest Atlantic from Guyana, Rec, and Carribian Islands to block any dislodge. But if you dump armies onto North America, it gives you something to do, while also weakening Russia. This assumes that South Africa will giv eyou his support.
17 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [Russia]:Near-East...why would anyone want to listen to your advise. It served you so well. Go find another game to annoy.
17 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [South-Africa]:I will consider this support, If it won't affect badly my plans.


@Ghana
Apparently, either your country is under civil disorder,
Or you have started to plan on war against me.
17 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [Near-East]:Russia, my destruction had nothing to do with my skill (or lack thereof) as a player. I was simply surrounded by the "african union" on one side and the pacific russia-india-russia alliance on the other. Near East is hard enough to play as it is-- I was screwed the moment Europe quit. I had to pick a side to support (even if I was stabbed) and had no choice but to support the African nations-- and was stabbed by LIbya, who quit shortly thereafter. I was lucky to survive as long as I did.

Once Argentina has an army on North America (a big plus for him), Argentina can help dismember your hold on North America, which then frees up resources for south africa to better crush you in Asia.
17 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [Near-East]:(and I'm still interested to see how the game turns out)
17 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [South-Africa]:Well, I will win, and mostlikely Russia, Ghana and Argentina will survive.
I think, as after I have taken the Indian lands, there is only a few Russians lands left to take.
I have already infiltrated the Asian continent, and Soon I am in the Northern seas aswell.
Meanwhile russia have to concentrate on the Atlantic and the Northern-America, he totally left his eastern empire unguarded.
17 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [Ghana]:@South-Africa: Yes, the country who is being ravaged from the north by Russia and ravaged from the south by you, who has nine supply centres by the skin of his teeth compared to your 36, that very same country, is planning to take you down.

Get real.
17 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2024: [Ghana]:And thanks for your support to Egypt.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2024: [South-Africa]:First I was thinking that this could possibly be sarcasm.
But apparently it ain't, when we are looking to the world map more closely.

Besides, I don't remember "Ravaging" your lands, and if I remember correctly, you wanted me to do so.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2024: [Russia]:@Ghana...I am ready to help you against SA. Let's roll!
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2024: [Ghana]:@Russia: No.
@SA: I did, yes, though you claimed to be giving me back my lands when you steamrolled North Sudan and then failed to help me in any way with Egypt or Saudi Arabia. Anyways, it should've been clear several years ago that I was finished with this game. Do whatever you want.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2024: [Russia]:@Ghana...respectfully request that you not submit any more orders and let SA and Russia fight this one until the end.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2024: [South-Africa]:@Ghana
If I remember correctly, I told you that you should support Hold Syria, that Russia wouldn't get it (now they have Saudi-Arabia)
Then I said that I was going to support you into Egypt, but then you didn't move there.

I have helped you, but apparently we haven't been on the same wavelength of minds.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2024: [South-Africa]:@Argentina
So, any plans?
You wanted that I support you into the Union?

In that case, I think you could support me into NWA again, let's say, From Guyana should be fine.
17 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2024: [Argentina]:let's try it!
18 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2024: [South-Africa]:5 more to go !!!
19 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2025: [South-Africa]:@Argentina
Would you say, that Defeating Russia is the most important thing now?
Or would you demand to get SCs for yourself aswell ?
19 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2025: [South-Africa]:I may not be able to message after you have made your moves, so I suggest this.

Cause We can't take Union (if Russia does again what they did last round), I suggest that you would attack Quebec (cutting their support), mean while I would take Quebec for myself.

You won't lose the Control of the NWA, if we both support, mine or your Fleet into the NWA.
Let's make it so that we support Guyana to NWA again.
19 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2025: [South-Africa]:I may be on computer for a Hour or so,
So if you got something important to say, I may be able to receive it, within hour.
20 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2025: [Russia]:Russia against the World!
20 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2025: [South-Africa]:Russia is Strong!
This will be hard and long-lasting battle, not to talk about how fun it will be !

@Argentina,
Argh one mistake can do alot of harm!
But you should not worry, we will regain the control for the NWA once again!
20 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2025: [Argentina]:SA, I did what you told me, i moved to quebec to cut potential support
20 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2025: [South-Africa]:Ye, true that but.
Caribbean Sea supported Union to NWA :(
That made you lose the control of NWA.
20 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2025: [Russia]:This game is about over with a win for SA unless Ghana and Argentina would like to jump sides. How about it?
20 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2025: [South-Africa]:If Ghana and Argentina jump sides, then it is Russia who is going to win :) ?
20 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2025: [South-Africa]:@Argentina
Let's support Venezuela back to NWA!!
20 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2025: [Argentina]:Let's do it!
21 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2025: [Russia]:Let's just vote draw and get it over with.
21 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 2025: [South-Africa]:Oh lol, that didn't really go how I thought it would :s
23 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2026: [Argentina]:SA, I don't know what you want to do so, as of now I'm supporting the hold in NW Atlantic until we come up with something
23 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 2026: [South-Africa]:That's okey.
Your battlefronts and your continent are pretty much secured by now.
This is the last year, so I will myself go as much offensive as I can. (against the Russians of course)
23 Nov 11 UTC [South-Africa]:What's this russia :( ?
23 Nov 11 UTC [Russia]:The fun meter is low. It would have been a great battle if Argentina or Ghana would have flipped. It is interesting to see how these games go. The winner seems to be the one who gains the most as players CD. You played a good game and managed your allies well. Too bad India left. India and I had a good chance a few years ago. I think the turning point was when India missed a turn. The game went downhill from there.
23 Nov 11 UTC [Russia]:Any chance for a draw?
24 Nov 11 UTC [Near-East]:I agree with you, Russia. You and India had a good shot until India quit.
24 Nov 11 UTC [South-Africa]:The main point is not the India (in my opinion)
The game changed drastically after the USA left.

I also hate it when people leave cause they are losing, they are practically giving up, instead of fighting to the end. Just like India did, and then he just worked as my power-up.

And I have to say, that I am not going to draw a game, cause the enemies are giving up. It just feels wrong, even if the victory in the end would be lame.
24 Nov 11 UTC [India]:I did not leave freely because I gave up. But I did however relinquish one crucial turn earlier in the game when I had control over the Indian Seas and was in a strong position for a good shot and great game against SA. I could've even broke into the lands of Ghana and waged war in the lands of Africa.

Missing that turn tipped the scales and allowed South Africa to break into my territories. That missed turn was a result of me having to attend matters much more important than this game. And had I not missed it, I would've been able to stall South Africa a lot longer, and possibly dominate more land and our war would've been so much more hard fought. But I couldn't do anything after missing that one turn to regain the control I had, and I do applaud South Africa for persisting with the game from start to end.

During the ending of our game, more important matters arose and I was not able to play this game for 3 days, which only let South Africa into my territories a lot quicker than I would've if I could play. But I had lost a turn first, he didn't and therefore the game goes to him. Congratulations to South Africa on a great diplomatic game. Russia, you did well too, and I apologise since I've had many problems that arose and I had to tend to them, and I'm sure you would've done the same in my position.

If this was a 24 hour game though, this would've turned out a lot more differently hah.

Great game everyone :)
24 Nov 11 UTC [South-Africa]:Ah, I understand now that you didn't flee, and therefore can't blame you for it.
But for that record, I didn't really point at you, but morelikely said it for general.
(Usa was a real quitter)

You fought very well against me in the Indian seas, at one moment I was having advantage, but then you took the control once again.
Our fights for the Indian seas lasted for 15 years!
But as you said, in the end I was getting the advantage, for I managed to surround your lands.

We could compare that to war for Northern-America, which has been going on for only a 6 years.


For me, this has been the most fun and best game I have played in here.
Maybe not cause I am winning, but everyone have been honest (expect USA) and fair, and our relations have been an interesting ones.

Sadly we can't know who the player for USA was cause he left at one point :/
25 Nov 11 UTC [Russia]:Sadly this game ended before Hernando/trinity/alppu was exposed as a cheater.
25 Nov 11 UTC [Argentina]:Well that's lame

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South-Africa
Hernando (0 D X)
Won. Bet: 20 D, won: 185 D
48 supply-centers, 39 units
Russia
flc64 (1963 D)
Survived. Bet: 20 D, won: 89 D
21 supply-centers, 26 units
Argentina
elguapo7 (133 D)
Survived. Bet: 20 D, won: 42 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Ghana
Rachidian (490 D)
Survived. Bet: 20 D, won: 30 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Brazil
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
China
kyleh (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Europe
alppu (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Frozen-Antarctica
GRagazzo (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
India
dazhanga (198 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Kenya
Buis (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Libya
Panzergeist (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Near-East
rhydon (3098 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Pacific-Russia
trinity (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Quebec
Shockwave12 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
USA
Izzard (214 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Western-Canada
Timz (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 4 D
Oz
TyPrado (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
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