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Finished: 08 AM Sun 23 Nov 08 UTC
Private Group A- Game 3
1 day, 1 hours /phase
Pot: 175 D - Spring, 1920, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
10 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: Rait, It would not have been possible for France to make any progress anywhere had he entered orders, even knowing all of our orders. Thus there is no genuine harm done anyway.
10 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: You are missing some opportunities...
10 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: I see at least 2 variations, which would have prevented Spain falling if I would have known that French will hold
10 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: ...but that's not the point here.....
10 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: But the fact is that the French either intended to hold (in which case what is the problem, they did?) or intended to move in some way, and that would have resulted either in a move to Por (no different to what happened), or a bounce and retreat (no different to what happened. If that isn't the point then what is?

Look, I know that you have just moved backwards, and that can be un-done, but I don't see any reason for reversing the French NMR and do not wish to do so.
10 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: before i went to bed 8 hours ago i did pause it.
so if france 's orders had gone through my tyrolia would have stayed in triest. gasconny with burg could not have made any difference because if it would have been there i would have given spain the extra west med support hold. so if you want me to pull out of tyrolia i will then next turn munich and i can clash in there, but is that really necessary?
10 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: /pause
10 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: GameMaster: sean has voted for a pause.
Voted: Rait,Withnail160,sean Remaining: TheGhostmaker.
10 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: Agreed with sean
11 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: me too
11 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1909: so next turn my tytrolia will move back to triest but munich will stay where it is? munich and triest would have clashed if france had made the move to tyrolia.
11 Dec 08 UTC Spring, 1910: all I care would be moving my units back to Burgundy & Holland
11 Dec 08 UTC Spring, 1910: That shouldn't be a problem, Rait
12 Dec 08 UTC Spring, 1910: so france will stay in munich this turn while i move to triest.
snf england will move back to burg and holland. everything else holds.
12 Dec 08 UTC Spring, 1910: ok
13 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1910: now there should be also army in Paris, which has been disbanded.....
13 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1910: but withnail would have had to disband something because he doesnt control spain
13 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1910: No there shouldn't, because Spain would have been won anyway, so something would have had to have disbanded.
13 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1910: so we are back to regular play now.
13 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1910: Yes
13 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1910: You are not correct, You forget that France has to disband the Paris just after this turn....
13 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1910: which means that during this turn French army could move or support moves
13 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1910: Ok, the French army could support to Gascony or Burgundy. You could have free movement there then.
15 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1911: ghostM, i hope your internet is ok!!
18 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1912: What is everyone doing for Christmas? could we take a break ? i will be traveling and might be difficult to check my games. how about from the 22nd december until sometime early January?
18 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1912: if GM is voting for pause, the vote should be passed
18 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1912: /pause
18 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1912: GameMaster: TheGhostmaker has voted for a pause.
Voted: Rait,Withnail160,sean,TheGhostmaker Remaining: . The vote has passed, and will be acted on within 5 minutes.
18 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1912: paused already? i was thinking from tuesday next week but if anyone wants is paused now then thats ok with me
28 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1912: /pause
28 Dec 08 UTC Autumn, 1912: GameMaster: TheGhostmaker has voted to unpause.
Voted: TheGhostmaker Remaining: Rait,Withnail160,sean.
02 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: Unpause time!
03 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: We need to unpause this game, everyone.
03 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: /unpause
03 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: GameMaster: Withnail160 has voted to unpause.
Voted: Withnail160,TheGhostmaker Remaining: Rait,sean.
05 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: ok, I'm ready to continue the game tomorrow, I will unpause then
07 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: /unpause
07 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: GameMaster: Rait has voted to unpause.
Voted: Rait,Withnail160,TheGhostmaker Remaining: sean.
07 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: /unpause
07 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: GameMaster: sean has voted to unpause.
Voted: Rait,Withnail160,sean,TheGhostmaker Remaining: . The vote has passed, and will be acted on within 5 minutes.
07 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: Hi guys, im back. sorry for the wait. bali was great but traveling with 12 other family members can get a bit chaotic at times!
22 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1918: so how long will this situation contine?? im willing to call it a draw
23 Jan 09 UTC Spring, 1919: /draw
23 Jan 09 UTC Spring, 1919: GameMaster: Withnail160 has voted for a draw.
Voted: Withnail160 Remaining: Rait,sean,TheGhostmaker.
24 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1919: /draw
24 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1919: GameMaster: sean has voted for a draw.
Voted: Withnail160,sean Remaining: Rait,TheGhostmaker.
24 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1919: /draw
24 Jan 09 UTC Autumn, 1919: GameMaster: Rait has voted for a draw.
Voted: Rait,Withnail160,sean Remaining: TheGhostmaker.
25 Jan 09 UTC /draw
25 Jan 09 UTC GameMaster: TheGhostmaker has voted for a draw.
Voted: Rait,Withnail160,sean,TheGhostmaker Remaining: . The vote has passed, and will be acted on within 5 minutes.

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England
Rait (10151 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Italy
sean (3490 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Russia
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
France
Withnail160 (1204 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 44 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Austria
belsherj (258 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Turkey
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Germany
DeliciousWolf (112 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
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