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Pot: 931 D - Spring, 1902, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Germany, you must be completely stupid not to know what this game requires. how can anyone miss the first moves. You deserve to be completely screwed!
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Agreed. Now the entire course of the game shifts based on this turn.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Anyone want to cancel and restart without the dickwad?
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: I'd be up for it if everyone else agrees.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: I'll vote cancel. If it goes, I'll start a new game, message me for the password.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: aww come on i'm finally not italy and the game gets cancelled figures
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: well, I promise you you won't get Italy in the next game if you vote cancel. IF you do, we'll cancel and redraw.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: >>> Firstly....I'd be happy to play another game with folks.
>>> Secondly, I don't have a firm number, but my guess is that at least 25% of the games I play have a CD which substantially affects the game. If all of those games were cancelled, I'd probably not want to play diplomacy.
>>> Thirdly, I'm currently in a game where exactly this happened. Germany missed the second move and France took Munich. England and France were allied and looked like a shoe-in, especially with the four southern powers all tangled up. We had to completely revise our strategies, prop up Germany (who, as it turns out, did return), and the game changed.

This is why I believe in playing regardless of CD's. You can't control alliances - so you have to revise your strategy. You can't control whether your opponents - or your allies - are competent - so you have to revise your strategy. And you can't control who CD's or when - so you have to revise your strategy. This CD is NOT to my advantage - but if we were voting (which we are not), I'd vote to continue playing. And AFTER this game, play another with all of us and a reliable substitute.

With all that said..... If someone feels strongly about continuing play...I support them. And we continue. ....IF....EVERYONE is either ambivalent or wants to restart, that's fine with me, and I have no problem with France not getting Italy. (I don't want Austria, but if I get it, can't win them all!)

So: Restart votes: Italy, Russia, and France is willing.
Turkey and England, vote.

BUT.... we all have to continue playing for a turn, as Germany could return...
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: I really dont care either way. As long as the juggernaut doesnt form directly from the Missed turn.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: I'm voting for a restart or a draw. Whichever one will get the game ended and allow this crew to restart.

I'm just getting really really bad flashbacks of another game I played with Indy where I was Turkey and Germany was one of FOUR powers who eventually CDed. I almost singlehandedly forced a stalemate as Turkey against his and Danemark's EF steamroller, but all the inactives were sitting on vital stalemate spots, NOT supporting one another, and subsequently my line cracked and I sat and watched my eventual doom (until FRANCE quit, leaving only me and Indy, at which point Indy spared me annihilation and took the win). Three-day phases, to boot. *sigh*

Ever since that game I developed the Eden CD Policy. If I believe that a CD player will benefit me, I do not vote for a Draw or Cancel unless a supermajority or more of the remaining players (2:1 ratio, or in this context 4v2) want to end the game. If I do not believe that a CD player will benefit me, I vote for a Draw or Cancel and hope to the stars that the others comply.

Therefore, I will be voting Draw and Cancel.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: That's not a good policy...
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: In what respect?
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: But if I apply your Eden policy, I will not vote for the cancel unless there is a supermajority. Let us see...there's President Eden, BESM...that's about it. France hasn't said yes or no, Italy says "if everyone else agrees", and Indy says "play regardles of CD's". Under these circumstances, I regret to inform you that I cannot vote Draw or Cancel at this stage. If a clearer consensus emerges, I will vote.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: *supermajority of other players, which is basically to say "a majority of all players." That's Russia, Turkey and 2 more. Even given Italy I'll grant you that it's unlikely that France or Austria would sign on, and so we continue.

But I think that's fair. After all, half the remaining board wants to continue play. So why should one half be held superior?
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: England, ignoring Eden's policy...and Indy's policy..... do you want to continue?
If "yes", is it a "I REALLY want to continue" or a "I don't feel strongly, but if you put it to a vote, I'd vote to continue"?
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: France, same question to you.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: I will do so if there is a consensus. Personally I wish to continue, but if the consensus is to restart, I will not object.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: I have my vote in.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Turkey voted. 2 more and we restart.
03 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Well, asssuming we can restart, I have a new game. Good Guy Game. message me for password.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Seems to me there is a consensus.
Turkey and Russia want to restart.
France seems open to it as long as he doesn't get Italy.
England will join a consensus.
Italy is very willing to restart.
And I'll join the consensus since no one STRONGLY feels we should continue.
That's a consensus, in my book.
I've voted cancel. When England and France cancel and Germany runs out of time, this one will be done. I'm off to join BSEM's game.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Write me for the password.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: how do we get the game cancelled if Ger never shows up? Can the mod do it?
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: We could ask a moderator, but if we all put in Cancel votes then it just processes when Germany quits in approximately two days.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: that works. Just never had a cancel before. be gentle with me.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Haha, no worries. ;)
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: 192 games and no cancels?
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: hmmm....you know, we SHOULD draw....that way, we all get to split this dirtbag's points - otherwise, he walks with his 133 points ;)
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Also gives him a resign, and won't affect GR since it's prior to the start of 1904.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: how in the heck do you learn this GR shit? amazing.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: how in the heck do you learn this GR shit? amazing.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: VOTING "DRAW". A free 24 points and another draw (not a bad thing).
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: I've become a shameless GR whore. What can I say?
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: No cancels. Although, now that I write that, there may have one long ago when I first joined, but I don't think so. I'll vote draw, but don't care one way or the other. i don't find the GR is much of a reason to do whatever we do.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Aus, vote both draw and cancel, but I think cancel is better as it will end the game sooner. Or maybe it won't. i voted both.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: And if the douchebag Germany returns? Should we just eliminate him?
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: I feel compelled to note that France has checked the game since we resolved to draw and has yet to put a draw or cancel vote up.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Mr. France has said to me that he expects this game to be drawn. So just a reminder here to DK: please press draw.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: i was just taking a nap i checked draw now sorry to worry you
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: No problem.

Italy only has a Cancel -- since there's a larger agreement toward drawing we should probably have him vote Draw and chill for 36 hours.

Everyone remember to talk to BESM about the password for the new game "Good Guy Game," too.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: also if we all ready it will go faster
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: At least for this phase, yeah, that's true.
04 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: So.. what is the rule about "leaving a game"? Two phases w/o activity? In which case I'm holding us up. Hitting "ready" now.

Gobble and DK, the new game is set up at 300 rather than 130. Is that ok with you or do you want a lower amount?
04 Jul 11 UTC I see Gobble has joined - DK, is this ok with you?
04 Jul 11 UTC Yeah, now we wait for an hour and get the Draw.

As for DK, remember that we're getting more than half the points for the 300 bet from this game, so you only have to fork over 145 of your 555 points there. :)
04 Jul 11 UTC *a day
04 Jul 11 UTC good point.
04 Jul 11 UTC ever sell cars?
04 Jul 11 UTC You're dealing with a 19-year-old. ;)

I am however hopefully near employment at Office Depot, which means I might be selling random office hardware.
04 Jul 11 UTC GAMEID=62971.
DK, Are you going to join the replacement game? If "no", that's not a problem, just let us know so we can invite a replacement for your spot. We're holding off to make sure we don't get two people accepting and not leave a spot for you.

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Russia
BESM (18622 D)
Drawn. Bet: 133 D, won: 155 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Austria
Indybroughton (3407 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 133 D, won: 155 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
England
Gobbledydook (1389 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 133 D, won: 155 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
France
DK7 (0 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 133 D, won: 155 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Turkey
President Eden (2721 D)
Drawn. Bet: 133 D, won: 155 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Italy
Drawn. Bet: 133 D, won: 155 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Germany
UnrealNemesis (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 133 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Civil Disorders
UnrealNemesis (100 D)Germany (Spring, 1902) with 3 centres.
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