Finished: 09 PM Wed 03 Aug 11 UTC
Featured Princess Bride of Frankenstein-3
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 1050 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
21 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Ironically, the only neighboring nation that I did not betray is the one camping out in Warsaw. And yes, Italy's attack on Greece was the real downfall of Austria because we were going to swap Con to Austria that turn, but his defensive needs didn't allow him to take it.

Anyway.

I just noticed that I'm playing two games that I'm sort of mentally combining because I did not sleep well last night, I have a young child that's ill (he's fine, but getting up a lot needing some care). So if you get strange press from me, that would be the reason. It doesn't even make a lot of sense since I'm a totally different nation in a very different position, but c'est la vie.
21 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Too many stabs and betrayals in this game. Through it all, Russia benefitted the most. Maybe part of winning the game is to stay out of quarrels yourself and just wait for the rest of the world to self-destruct.
21 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: I wish I could have done that France, unfortunately I found myself under attack from both of my neighbors at the start.
21 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: I wonder what piece the Brilliant Austrian will remove this time. He's done so well so far.
21 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'll say this for Austria, not only does he delusion of grandeur, he projects agression onto others that he has instigated. I wonder how much he weighs if you remove the fecal matter.
22 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: I just read Russia's comment on my attempt on Greece. In retrospect, I delight in knowing that I completely screwed up Austria's plans for world domination. Though my plan was simply to have enougn units to survive which i didn't suspect Austria was going to help me get, I see that austrian's skill was such that a small deviation from his plan caused him severe problems. I guess he never attended the Adapt And Overcome school of Diplomacy.
22 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: It's been an interesting game in that I can point to at least three decisions that I did not play a part in making that greatly benefitted me. Perhaps France's laissez faire idea is the way to go.

Turkey choosing to defend Bul instead of Ank was the first one, then Italy's attack on Greece. The third I'll hold back because it might still be important.
22 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Italy, shove it. You made awful strategic decisions. Just because you're last on the chopping block doesn't make you a better player. Also, criticizing other players doesn't make you a better player. Doing nothing all game until finally fruitlessly stabbing your ally for no gain whatsoever doesn't make you a good player.
23 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'm sorry England, were you saying something. I was onlly repsonding to Austria's whining about being picked on. Sorry it offends your sensibilities. Oh wait, England, you are gone. I guess what you say may be suspect. Proud to hear from somoeone who ran a corner power into the ground.
23 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'm just saying it now, I'm never playing with E, A or I again knowingly.
23 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: I try not to play with R too often, I've heard it can cause blindness.
23 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: You, Germany and France are acting with grace, and dignity. The same can't be said for those mentioned previously.
23 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: that's not what's causing blindness.
23 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1906: i see that austria hasn't lost his skill at completely screwing up a perfecctly good supply center. vengence is so shallow at times like this.
23 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Yes, let's just keep the unit doomed to be disbanded in spring. That is the smart choice right?
23 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Right, because losing this particular game means your opinions are worthless...oh wait..you also lose.

Oh gee maybe you'll have one SC by the time somebody else wins...guess that means you're an effing master at diplomacy.
24 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1906: England, I didn't say you were worthless, just didn't think advice from someone who lost a corner power was all that good in this particular game. And I may onlly have one center at the end, but that will still be one more than you have and very much longer. By the way, effing? I don't know about master of dip, but my guess is that i'm higher on the food chain than you are at the moment, and in this particular game at this moment, I seem to have had a better result than you have.
24 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1906: This is more fun than I could have expected.
25 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: oh mercy me, england never *ever* loses to a joint invasion from france, germany and russia.
25 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: if only I were as good as italy I could've stopped it.
25 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: didn't say you didn't have reason. Just saying you are gone and I'm still here for the moment. Might mean something and might not.
26 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: I'm really surprised that France is working against Germany as it will allow Russia to solo.
26 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: I am surprised as well, but then most of the game I've been surprised.
26 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: The thought of a draw was in my mind, but let's just say working toward the draw has been a very unpleasant experience. So, I opted the other option.
26 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: i am surprised too... i guess emotion trumped logic.
26 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: This game is the epitome of why certain people refuse to play PPSC anymore.
26 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: It is interesting to me that, without fail, at least one has person told me that I'm going to win and they just want to be along for the ride every season since I took Ankara. That's never quite happened to me before and fills me with paranoia.
27 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: PPSC gives you one more strategy than WTA: The play to pick a winner in exchange for points. I got bored of WTA a bit because it was almost always a 3-way, 4-way, or even 5-way draw.
27 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Russia that kind of play is why I don't like PPSC, the goal in actual Diplomacy is to win, failing that draw, or failing that survive. PPSC gives equal, and perhaps greater incentive to survive than draw, and that is inconsistent with the nature of Diplomacy.
27 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: So you spoke to Calhamer about the goal of actual Diplomacy? he did say in a perfect game, no one would win, but as to the goal, I doubt you had any conversations about that. As for PPSC, that's why I like it. It rewards cooperation and hard work. PPSC is, in fact, the way the real world works and speaks much more to the idea of acctual diplomacy. Not a zero sum game in either world. But Tur, why join a PPSC game?
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Because I like to join games with high three to four digit pots, and normally I've been willing to play PPSC to get that. But watching France slink off to a survive to screw Germany over is disgraceful.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: just throwing this out there, I told germany the outcome of him selling me out to russia was that russia would win the game and france would come in second.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: No, this game is being won by Russia because France will still get points for a survive when Russia solos. Which is inane, and like I said above gives incentive to play passive, and not fight for a draw when its possible.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Your arguments have actually convinced me to stop playing PPSC games turkey - you're right, it totally changes the way the game is played. In a WTA game, the other players wouldn't be able to just let russia conquer everything and just take some points and leave. France will profit points just by playing passively and helping russia.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: The same thing is happening to me in another high-stakes PPSC game, except that I'm the one coasting to second place by helping somebody else win. It's the most profitable strategy given the situation, and after what's happened this game I realize how lame that is. Your arguments persuade me turkey.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: I'm torn between liking every chance to solo and being a little sad that it's a little tainted.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: It doesn't necessarily change it for the worse. It simply means players need to worry about not just the front runner but also the runner-up. Also, the strategy of throwing the game to the front runner does not always work with PPSC. Throwing the game away is a "if I lose all my points so will you" strategy, which is simply not true in PPSC. However, all three---first Turkey, then Austria, now Germany---were happily to do so.

But for this game, that suicidal strategy merely sped up Russian win. The core was the inability of the rest of the world to trust and forgive. At least in my case, there were much conflict, yelling, lying, and stabbing with both England and Germany. On the other hand, working with Russia has been very pleasant and no lying whatsoever (that I could tell yet).
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: In a WTA game, the pleasantness of russia's attitude would be irrelevant. Also, russia's 18 never come from france so it wasn't *possible* for him to betray you.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: I've won as Russia by getting all the English home centers, Brest, and Paris, and I did have a window on Edinburgh here.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: +1 england re: russia. france, the only reason russia hasn't stabbed you is because you're not adjacent to him. I, on the other hand, was stuck (once England was gone) between two powers who could only expand in my direction. I made a decision about which one I could trust and which one I couldn't. Apparently, that was an error... Oh, well. such is the game.. and this has been a very entertaining one (the latest global complaining notwithstanding, of course).
29 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1907: The truth germany is you could trust neither because both france and russia need german centers for the win. Your largest mistake was sending troops against me that you needed in the north. Why did you need to come down and help Italy? You could had used those armies to wipe out either russia or france in the north. Plus the downfall of Austria who is always Germany's most important ally did not help you at all. But I agree with you. The game had been fun until all this global bickering about PPSC and WTA. Quite frankly I prefer WTA, but hey if I decided to play PPSC I have to stick to the consequences.
29 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1907: i am so feeling the love.
29 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1907: yeah, austria, i agree with your analysis of my tactics. oh well! you live and you learn.
01 Aug 11 UTC I'm really happy to see France play for the draw here.
01 Aug 11 UTC It's been a good game. So many unpleasant things started the game, but now I'm kind of feeling up-spirited to see we can end on some reconciliation between foes. I am committed on the four-way draw. Shall we move on?
01 Aug 11 UTC perhaps a new game?
02 Aug 11 UTC I'd prefer 3 way.
02 Aug 11 UTC Not much difference in points.
02 Aug 11 UTC i'm down for a draw and a new game. this has been fun!
02 Aug 11 UTC Thank you all for the lovely game. I am very surprised that I survived.

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Russia
SacredDigits (120 D)
Drawn. Bet: 150 D, won: 263 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
France
g01df1ng3r (2821 D)
Drawn. Bet: 150 D, won: 263 D
10 supply-centers, 9 units
Germany
yaxay (1484 D)
Drawn. Bet: 150 D, won: 263 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
BESM (18622 D)
Drawn. Bet: 150 D, won: 263 D
4 supply-centers, 3 units
England
swordsman3003 (14070 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 150 D
Austria
guak (3381 D)
Defeated. Bet: 150 D
Turkey
kreilly89 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 150 D
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