Finished: 07 PM Tue 05 Jul 11 UTC
Private GFDT 2010 - Final G1
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
26 Apr 11 UTC Spring, 1902: I hope everyone realizes that despite the G1 in the title of this game, this is a single-game final. There are no points anymore.
27 Apr 11 UTC Spring, 1902: Okay, let me be more specific, since my last post didn't gen-up any discussion. At the end of a tournament, there are two classes of people: the person who won the tournament; and everyone else.

A draw is not a share of a win -- it's still "not a win". You can't play for a draw in the FINAL game of the tournament -- that defeats the very idea of a tournament!
27 Apr 11 UTC Spring, 1902: what happens if a valid stalemate line occurs, like in most games with experienced vets? Replay?
27 Apr 11 UTC Spring, 1902: Yeah I have the same question
28 Apr 11 UTC Spring, 1902: Can't we be co-champions? Let's all be friends.
28 Apr 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: A stalemate line usually only occurs between multiple (as in more than two) powers. So, take matters into your own hand if you want to be the champion.

Co-champions only exist in the case of multiple winners, which is not the same as multiple "non-losers".
28 Apr 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: The peace-loving Russian Empire is prepared to accept a universal armistice at any time.
29 Apr 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: Russia, is that vote a joke? You're in the best position of any of us on the board -- well, maybe France is secure for now, too. But you have a two SC lead on him.
29 Apr 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: A draw means that the tournament is shared. This has happened in both previous GFDT
29 Apr 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: In a tourney, if you don't win, you don't win.
29 Apr 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: Several embassies have asked for clarification on our offer of peace. We proclaim before the world that the Russian Empire does not seek war. Our policy has always been one of cooperation and we see no reason to end that cooperative policy at this time.
29 Apr 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: I'm willing to bet the government official with the Vienna Sausages over there may want to object to that statement...
29 Apr 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: I think Russia meant, as long as everyone "co-operates" no-one will get hurt.
29 Apr 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: OK Russia I agree to Draw now.
29 Apr 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: 2 down, 5 to go!
26 May 11 UTC Spring, 1907: I don't support there is any change that I can get a pause from friday until tuesday? My holiday weekend appears to be packed.
26 May 11 UTC Spring, 1907: wow, my spelling needs work. That should be:
I don't suppose there is any chance that I can get a pause from friday until tuesday? My holiday weekend appears to be packed.
01 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Why are we still paused? Let's go. Tuesday was yesterday.
02 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: ZZZZzzzzzzz
02 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: My fault, I had unpaused a few days ago but then I when I saw that the game was still paused, since I was leaving for a conference yesterday, I cancelled my unpause. I am away until Sunday with limited internet.. If I am the only one holding up the game, I will find a way to unpause, otherwise I will unpause when I return on Sunday nite
03 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: My life has also decided that the new way is in-the-way, but I'm probably not a big player now, so I'll restart whenever.
03 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Sunday is fine with me.
03 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm perfectly fine with waiting until things have settled for everyone.
07 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Okay, so can we restart now?
07 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: we may need to get a mod to find out who italy is, email them, and see if they need to get a replacement...
07 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I have a week-long camping trip coming up on Sunday. I should be able to use my phone to keep up with the game though.
08 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm back :)
09 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Thanks for a fun tournament, everyone!
12 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: Oops.
14 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: the fact that the GFDT final is going down as a 3 year agreed draw without a single person even attempting a solo is just a sad sign of how this site is just too draw happy. I'll say 'good game' when it is all said and done so it doesn't seem like sour grapes, but the state of affairs of this final was pretty much pathetic and I'm embarrassed to be a part of it.
14 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: The GFDT tournament rewards cooperation, and so it's only to be expected that the winners cooperate. If you want a WTA tournament, play the Masters (which I did very badly in, BTW)
14 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: I agree with Russia, although It is possible that E will try to solo here.
15 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: No he won't, because he's already bypassed two prime opportunities.
And I call BS on this tourney requiring cooperation. It is still WTA, and like all diplomacy, it requires cooperation until you have an opportunity to win.

I, too, did terrible in the masters. It is the opposite: people gunning for a win without early cooperation.
15 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1909: I fully expect England to try for the win and will not begrudge him the effort. I started this game with the intention of trying to get in to the end game and then go for the win. Since I was nearly eliminated early, I was glad to get to the end game. At that point, it was France himself who decided to play kingmaker by abandoning his home SCs and exclusively fighting down South.

If I (and/or AH) had been able to grow evenly with Eng, there would more likely be a true fight for crown. But due to France's play, AH and I are in position only to defend against the solo. If we were to attack each other, Eng would get the solo -- our only play is for a 3-way draw.

It's all you, France.
15 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1909: I lose by attrition either way it was sliced.
16 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1909: I actually tried to convince Austria to join me in trying to clean everyone else off the board, and then we'd duke it out for the win at the end, but I couldn't convince him. I guess my diplomatic skills aren't that great.
16 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1909: Don't feel bad, Germany, I tried the EXACT same approach with AH. I figured once he moved in to Bulgaria it wasn't going to work. So my diplomatic skills not only didn't work, but they got me attacked! :-)
16 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1909: Duh...I guess I slept through all that. My diplomatic skills were nonexistent.
18 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: OK E-F, you caught me napping there, nice play! But it aint over til the fat lady sings.
23 Jun 11 UTC Autumn, 1910: ugh
23 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1911: So long, folks.
24 Jun 11 UTC Spring, 1911: Good game Italy
02 Jul 11 UTC Hey everyone, we moved to a new house today. Exhausted but finally on line. I apologize for not chatting with anyone today
02 Jul 11 UTC Congratulations!
03 Jul 11 UTC Good game everyone!
03 Jul 11 UTC I pulled out all the stops... Thought I had it with the taking of Berlin. I'd say what E did was cowardly and would have hoped A would have taken advantage, but it ended up being a 3-way as planned years before. I'm sour about it, but it is because I was the 4th, and the effort it took to get that 18th SC was immense... All for not. Should hav give up years ago instead of helping E. The ending would have been the same.
I know why Babak gets upset at the end of some games, now.
03 Jul 11 UTC I would have been more inclined to hold with F had he not lied to me in the beginning with the initial Sealion. I also would have stuck with the Western Triple, but G stabbed me for no apparent reason. After that I was in it for myself and my best possible finish. F's fate was sealed once G was eliminated and the North was locked up.
04 Jul 11 UTC 12 years is a long time to hold a grudge ;-)
04 Jul 11 UTC I thought it was a great game and thoroughly enjoyed the challenge. I would have preferred there were a solo (by me obviously, but even by someone else) since this was supposed to be a championship game. I don't believe that I am a "co-champion". I believe that none of the seven of us WON the league.

I did feel like there was too strong of a push early to form alliances -- since that wasn't my strategy, I was nearly wiped out early. I was just glad to make it in to the end game. I probably would have still tried for thenwin if France hadn't blocked the South and help Eng -- ironically the only country that took a SC from him. But once I was blocked, I was just too far behind to do anything other than try to get to a draw. If I had stabbed AH, it would have just given the game to Eng.

Ah, well, c'est la guerre. Thanks for the game everyone. And best of luck to you all in future games and tourneys (as long as I'm not playing against you, of course). ;-)
05 Jul 11 UTC Much better game than last year, where a very long phaselength saw the game fizzle out to a 5-way!

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England
TrustMe (106 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
16 supply-centers, 17 units
Austria
Crazyter (1335 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
9 supply-centers, 7 units
Turkey
bockman (510 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
France
fortknox (2059 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Italy
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Germany
chillidog (25 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
pastoralan (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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