Finished: 05 AM Fri 18 Feb 11 UTC
Private GFDT10 R2GA3
1 day, 1 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1910, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
12 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: @Turkey/Austria - I'm curious what your game plan is from here on out. As long as Kiel support holds Berlin and Baltic support holds Prussia, it's game over. And judging by the fact that England didn't take the opportunity to stab Germany for Bel/Hol/Den last turn, isn't it pretty clear where this is going?
12 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: so we ll just have to wait till someone stabs anyone.
I don't see your problem.
12 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: And if noone stabs? How long are you going to hold up the draw?

I hereby pledge not to stab as long as the current opposing alliance stays together.

I urge my teammates to pledge the same so that we show a united front.
12 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: So, you are THAT afraid of the power of the A/T alliance?
shame of you.
2 countries ridiculing the so called western triple...
12 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: Oh please, I'd be doing this if ANY 2 powers had nearly broken through all the stalemates and only fell back in an effort to break up the opposing alliance.

And the "western triple" only formed when your A/T was on the brink of breaking the stalemates. Prior to that, I did a hell of a job protecting myself against attack by all 3 of my neighbors. So I'm not sure what your point is.

And shame? WTF? You make some very odd statements Turkey.
12 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: I also pledge not to stab as long as the current opposing alliance stays together.
13 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: No stabs from this quarter either. Go ahead and vote for the draw.
14 Feb 11 UTC Spring, 1909: You guys are lame. How can you just sit there and do nothing? You're supposed to go for the win. Come on, AH and T. One of you has to shake this game up.

Or we're all going to be stuck with a 5-way draw.
14 Feb 11 UTC Spring, 1909: You know, the more I think about this the mire disenchanted I grow with the play if AH and T. As the two largest powers on the board, you both have the most to lose from a 5-way draw. And yet you're doing nothing about it!!! Stop trying for an easy solution and man-up.

After all, whichever of you two stabs first will get the full support from the rest of the board.
14 Feb 11 UTC Spring, 1909: England, shut the fuck up.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: ahh the stab that wasn't.

Come on Turkey, if you were *really* stabbing you'd have moved to Adriatic AND Apulia and double supported yourself to Venice and guaranteed if for yourself, and then moved on to Trieste in the year after. Conveniently the "stab" allows A/H and T to support themselves into Venice and have a nice little bounce.

I mean, really, you have no need to form the forward stalemate line since I made it pretty clear I wasn't moving until you guys started really fighting.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: The fleets moved towards you cause I have no trust that you won't attack me.
You have proved you are not worth the trust being moving to pie without permission.
So until you dmz mao and move pie back to mar those fleets are not going anywhere.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: How exactly did you know he was going to move to Pie? You anticipated it because you are...?

And you shut the fu** up. I'm tired of your stupid whining about how you we're not "playing fair" because we're keeping our alliance -- so are you, you hypocrite!

Now, play the stab (for real) or vote for a draw. In any event, stop insulting us for not doing the same thing you're not doing.

You want better than a 5-way draw? Earn it.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: I didn't know he was going to move to pie dumbass.
I just saw it on the map.
I don't mind if this comes down to a 5 way.
You want better? earn it yourself.
I don't like stupid english faggots dictating me what to do.
Keep pressuring it and you ll have to call a mod to force a draw.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Please don't insult me personally. Totally uncalled for.

You said you moved your fleets because France "proved he was not worth the trust" but his move coincided with your move. Doesn't that mean you're "not worth the trust"?

Three of us have already voted for a draw. If you're fine with it, then you should vote for it, too. We've already got a plan in place to talk to a moderator -- this is a league game, after all.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Holy shit Turkey, calm the fuck down.

*I'm* not trustworthy? You're SO scared of my 1 army huh? Wow. It's so scary that I need to DMZ MAO? HA! That's a good one...DMZ my defensive sea zone when you have 2 fleets bordering it...riiiiiight...
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: pls people:
1. Don't say I insult you personally if I call you dumbass. That's just my way. If you cannot handle it hurry up and run under your mama's skirt.
2. In order for a mod to force a draw moves will have to start to repeat themselves. for the time being I see different moves every turn.
3. France, I'm not worth the trust. The point was I expected you to be.
4. Stop breaking my balls. I won't stab. I won't vote for a draw. Deal with it.
5. Btw dumbasses if I wanted to stab, you would just made it impossible to me. How would my stab work if a bunch of dumbasses shouted in the global chat that I need to stab? Have you thought that maybe it was a trick of mine to announce publicly that I'm not stabbing in order to actually stab? So your diplomatic skills are those of a 2 year old.
6. I'm on a trip. I wont waste my breathe more with fucking retards like you. In fact I vote for a pause just cause you pissed me off. You are obliged to press the pause vote.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: hellalt: we haven't made it impossible for you to stab. Austria's defense against us is only holding because he doesn't need to defend against you. If you turn on Austria, he will fall.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: A lot of people keep confusing me with hellalt lately.
Germany, check the map.
I cannot take ven or ser.
And that's thanks to all of you global chat big mouth fuckers.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Also, in case you use your eyes only for face decoration, I only have 3 armies.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: At least you write back to me in global chat! It's been 5 years since you even bothered to answer one of my messages.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: ah the problem with the eyes again...
I have responded to each and every msg any fuckard in this game sent me.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Turkey -

You can't take Venice because of your moves, not because of us. If you had moved to Adriatic and Apulia, you would be able to take Venice. Don't try to blame us for your own moves.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: You are both ignorant of how the game is played.
End of discussion.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: This coming from the guy who demanded France DMZ MAO when he has 2 fleets adjacent to it. Good one. You seem to be the ignorant one. I can't wait until identities are revealed on this one.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: France, just go back to Risk, where you belong.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Turkey: it will be funny if you're not hellalt. He was Turkey in an anonymous game I was just in, but revealed his identity in the forum. You do play like him though.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Play like him?
How am I supposed to be playing?
This is a AustrianTurkish alliance.
the supposedly hardest in the game.
So the fact that it worked alone make it a success.
Maybe you mean I talk like him, not play.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Considering all of your efforts so far have failed Turkey, perhaps it's you who should go back to Risk. I'd be willing to wager that my win/draw vs survive/defeat percentage in classic, press games is significantly higher than yours. Care to put your money where your mouth is? Perhaps a friendly webdip wager? Loser has to publicly announce he's an ass-hat to the forum?
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: ok
50 points bet that my GR is better than yours.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Apparently your reading comprehension skills need work too. I suggested something (win/draw vs survive/defeat percentage in classic, press games) and you said ok meaning you agreed with me, and then you put down something different.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: I wouldn't claim "success" if I'm stuck in a 5-way draw. That's a pretty low bar, Turkey.
14 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: I want to be included in this bet. 50 points says my ghost ranking is better
15 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: 1. success was referring to the A/T alliance. western triples are easy.
2. win/draw rate? fuck off noobie. Don't you know of GR yet? I read your stupid msg but I replied with something with more value.
3. I will not respond to your crap anymore. Not only are you bad players and fucking noobs but you are stupid as donkeys. I don't think you deserve living and I would gladly open holes to you losers if it weren't for the legal consequences. Now F U C K O F F & D I E.
16 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: (abgemacht): Hello all, I just wanted to follow up with an email I received. At the present time, there is way to much movement for me to even consider a force draw.

Also, please remember that this is a Grand *Festive* Diplomacy Tournament. Keep it classy, guys. : )
16 Feb 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: I have told you so.
16 Feb 11 UTC We did not request a draw. I agree there is still too much action. We've been waiting to see if you guys would actually stab each other. Looks like the answer is no...
16 Feb 11 UTC I mean, we did not request a draw from a mod. And Turkey, that last line was for you.
16 Feb 11 UTC Abgemacht: I don't like being misrepresented. I'm not trying to shut down the game; neither are France or England.

I asked what the rules for a force draw were, so that we all knew in advance as we considered our options. The reply was that a force draw would only be an option if we were holding up the tournament.
16 Feb 11 UTC Austria pressed the draw button.
I'm going to press it too unless someone proposes something better than a 5way draw.
For example we can easily put France out of the way and have a nice 4 way draw.
I only have one term though. Austria gets into the final draw no matter what.
So let me know what you want to do.
16 Feb 11 UTC Dude, we all drew. You know what we want to do.
16 Feb 11 UTC End the misery.
16 Feb 11 UTC And in case you're wondering, I friggin' hate Germany. I'm actually happy with a 5-way draw. So there. :)
16 Feb 11 UTC one game less :P
17 Feb 11 UTC A final note: a five-way draw with you guys is good for my Ghostrating. Sorry to bring yours down...
17 Feb 11 UTC That was a tough game. Congrats to all the survivors. For the record, my taunting on the Global was only to try to get a stab to happen between AH-T.

As much as I hate to say it, those two DID do well with their alliance. :-p
17 Feb 11 UTC Well, the good thing about this game is that "Agent K" got his ass kicked...
17 Feb 11 UTC hehehe :P
17 Feb 11 UTC Indeed, my taunting was attempting to force the stab as well. In all seriousness though, why so much anger hellalt? I understand that sometimes it's a diplomatic tactic, but you took it to a whole new level. Not only that, but it actually made us less likely to stab each other (at least in my opinion) so it was the exact opposite of what you wanted.
17 Feb 11 UTC I sometimes like to let out steem in the global chat.
It has nothing to do with the game itself though.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Turkey
hellalt (113 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Austria
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
England
bockman (510 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
France
drano019 (1003 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Germany
pastoralan (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
5 supply-centers, 4 units
Italy
jmeyersd (4240 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
Agent K (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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