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Finished: 11 AM Tue 28 Dec 10 UTC
Who should I Sta toay?
2 days /phase
Pot: 539 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by SynalonEtuul (1050 D)
06 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1906: Also after this year Italy won't be able to stop you anyway.
06 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1906: Yes, I can definitely see how I'm going to get Liverpool AND London, and also Warsaw.
06 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1906: Also after this year Italy won't be able to stop you anyway.
06 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1906: Sorry guys it keeps repeating some of my messages.
06 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1906: See now this would all be better if Austria were still around.
06 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1906: France any way you could move berlin to silesia and support Galacia into warsaw by the fall?
Germany I hope you take Moscow this turn.
06 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1906: I'll move Berlin to Prussia instead
07 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1906: Sorry Russia I thought you went into CD
07 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1906: MAN
07 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1906: ?
07 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: Russia moving into Silesia -___-
07 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: France: LOL. Do you think everyone is just going to rollover to you?
07 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: The noble Austrian patriots hold out in Bohemia, the last bastion of redness. We oppose France with fiery apathy!
08 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: I'm glad *someone* doesn't hate me :[
08 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: Italy, I'll support you into Warsaw anyway - if Russia moves to Berlin it shouldn't matter because I'm getting two builds this turn
08 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: OK
09 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1907: Sorry about the lying Italy, but I knew everything would go like that. We both win this way. ;)
09 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1907: Well I mean, other than Turkey moving to Gal...
09 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1907: I would not say you knew it would go that way but I understnad your reasoning and I would have done the same.
14 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1908: Italy, care to support me into Moscow? That way I can attack Sevastopol and cut any support from there. Also, later you can retake Moscow (or Munich, or Marseilles, whichever's easier).
14 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1908: yes I will but in the fall if that is ok
16 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: France please support warsaw to Moscow, you are at 12 and getting one build this turn, I will support you into St Pete in the spring next year.
16 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Ok gawwwwwwwwd fair enough *grumble grumble*
17 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Italy: LOL! Did you really think France was going to give you Moscow? France needs them to win. Your a fool if you thought France would help you!! While we swap SC's, France is walking across the board and it is your fault!
17 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Oh Turkey I am the one who is in the middle. I cannot stop attacking you since you have never stopped attacking me so either you beat me or France comes after me. I was hoping that France would stay allied with me and he woudl get the solo win by taking St pete Den Nor and Ed yes Warsaw was going to be his for the win but this would leave me with moscow and whatever comes about between us.

France I do ask for you to honor that arrangement I know you will win a solo victory but I am just going for the most SC I can get. Please resond to this

Turkey I would not be playing for second If I thought you and I could work together but so far we have both proven it will not work.
17 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Okay, the only of your SCs I'll take is Warsaw. I pledge to take no more.
17 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Italy: LOL! France doesn't need anymore from you. You have already given France the solo! In two years this game will be over and. We will be in roughly the same position.
17 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Italy: You have attack me at every chance open to you! So stop lying to yourself and us. You have forced this outcome by your play! I would have worked with you had you given any sign of pulling buck, which you didn't. You asked for unreasonable deals and follow them up with moving agianst me. LOL, you thought you could take me out. So you never tried to work with me. Mistake from inexperience. So stop your whining and accept the fact you gave up a solo!
18 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: I am not whining but I am acknowledging that to stop france you and I would have to work together. From the past moves we have BOTH gone against what we needed to do to be trusted. You played your way I played mine and as you said we will end up perty even. Had I turned on france i would have been killed by you and france.

Hope your other games are going well.
18 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Italy: That is bullshit! I would have work with you, because not to would have given France the solo. You NEVER had any intention of working with me.
18 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: It is like I am talking to a 6 year old. How is it that you can say I would have never worked with you and we should all beleive that but when I say you would have never worked with me it is false and wrong?

In 03-04 was when in my opinion you forced my hand. If you would not have supported Austria I would have had an extra build then I would have had the forces to move west. and you would have shown that you could be trusted. I did not look back into the messages but I remembver offering you that idea and you supported Austria. Since that happened I could not have gone after France since I was always worried you would come after me. Wrong or not cannot be proven since this game changes so often.
Either way this game ends with France getting a solo and probly 3 other players surviving.
18 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Italy: You have attack me at every chance open to you! So stop lying to yourself and us. You have forced this outcome by your play! I would have worked with you had you given any sign of pulling buck, which you didn't. You asked for unreasonable deals and follow them up with moving agianst me. LOL, you thought you could take me out. So you never tried to work with me. Mistake from inexperience. So stop your whining and accept the fact you gave up a solo!
18 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: You already said that
18 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: I am curious Turkey what do I need to be experianced? a certian amount of games? Rating? Wins? Really what is the magic number? Because my Experiance tells me that If France chose England over me as an ally then I would have died, If I turned on France I would have died. And when I did go to you for an alliy you did not assist me so I needed to stay against you. Yes I attacked you but you were attacking me as well, all assistance and splits of Austria I brought up you did not want a part of.
It is a joke that I am even writing this since I do not have to qualify my moves to you but your inexperiance comment is interesting. Please do respond with the answer to "What do I need to be experianced?"

France you should have the win this year, well played, your diplomacy early on was grand and your unit placement never left you open to be backstabbed. You must be very experianced.
Too bad Turkey's rookieness gave up a solo win.
18 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Thank you :D
18 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Yes, I think the clear solution was not to have attacked Austria in the first place. In that, you find true happiness and enlightenment.
18 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Italy: You have attack me at every chance open to you! So stop lying to yourself and us. You have forced this outcome by your play! I would have worked with you had you given any sign of pulling buck, which you didn't. You asked for unreasonable deals and follow them up with moving agianst me. LOL, you thought you could take me out. So you never tried to work with me. Mistake from inexperience. So stop your whining and accept the fact you gave up a solo!
18 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: yeah now that you've said it 20 times I totally see your point
19 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: For some reason this thing keeps repeating my post.
19 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1908: Italy: As far as experience goes, have you ever played a F2F game? How long have you even played this game? What is your rating?

I have played F2F for on and off for about 30 years and rate in the top 7 in the biggest F2F club in the states the last few years. As well as top 14 at World Diplomacy Championships last year. Oh I'm also in the top 2% on this site and am in the top 100.

France you did play a good game. Congrats.
19 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1909: I must be very inexperianced, I do not even know what F2F is, I have only played this game with a grade 12 history class, I am in the top 10% on this siteI do not know if that counts as being experianced to you and I have never been in any tournament or anything. I live in Saskatoon Canada so our population is not high enought to have tournaments. You should be very proud of you accomplishments they are very impressive. I have won a Settlers of Catan tournament so I am 1 for 1, 100%.
I am not saying I didn't give up a solo but I will not take all the blame and I would argue if the roles were switched you would have played any different.
So are you saying I should have turned on France by leaving my defense against you unguarded? and you would have sat there while I battle with France? I feel I played it right for the situation I was in.
19 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1909: In person: Face to Face games. If you have played with other people live then you have played F2F. F2F play is so much harder then online. Decision have to be made in the span of minutes or seconds not hours or days. I have played with some of the top players in the world, talk about intense! Top 10% is pretty good. I haven't had the chance to play SoC, but have heard it is great game. Winning any tourament is great! Congrats.

The moment that would have changed it all, was when you could have had Spain and most likely Mar with minimal unit committed. Also England & Germany was still a force on the board so France couldn't have turned on you without opening itself up. All the while holding Ion Sea with two fleets. I only had two fleets in the area. You would have take Spain then we would have split Austria, which would have given you 2-3 builds. Then chop France with E or G and been in a great position! Instead you focus on me thinking you could take me out. It is very common for less experience players to pick a direction to attack and not change it. This game is VERY fluid you have to evaluate your position every turn. Turkey is the easiest countries to defend and once you lost Russia as a force your chances to take me out were remote at best. Not that I haven't had my ass handed to me as Turkey, but it take 2-3 of it's neighbors to do it. That's part of what I meant by inexperiences. Once I had position we could back and forth for years! One of my "Best Countries Awards" is for Turkey, almost won me that tourament, (took second).
19 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1909: I've only played face to face once and that wasn't very serious if it's any consolation
19 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1909: Turkey I agree with you when you say I could have gone after France. It was 1903 when I asked you to split Austria with me and I would take Budapest. If we would have worked together then I would have gone after France. But you assisted Austria in Rumania so I felt even if I did go after France I would be watching both boarders.
Do not worry about Settlers it is an elementary game, more fun than stratagy.
21 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1909: France can you support ukraine into Sev please.
21 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1909: okay
22 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1909: Italy: It is your fault and yours alone that France will solo. Your offer for me to attack my only ally was a joke. You were allied with Russia who was attacking me. So without a show of good faith, which you didn't do, I couldn't trust you.

Then I tell you France will solo and you laugh at me. Your committed to your alliance with France that it would only win if it reach 18 before you! LOL, you never had a chance, but because of your inexperience you didn't realize it. It really doesn't matter why Fance will solo, but if you want to be a better player you need to realize what you did wrong.
22 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1909: Well we have been over this already but I did realize France was going to solo. and since I feel if I was to go after him you would have continued after me I made a decision to get as many SC as I could and get as many points as I could. Say all you want that you would have worked with me but we cannot prove it. Also as for the Russia thing you are wrong, honestly I was not allied with russia even though you continue to think I was. I supported Russia once to help get rid of Austria sooner.

Hope you both have a great holiday.
23 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1909: Happy holiday to both of you!
28 Dec 10 UTC Ha, that's pretty funny, me and Danaman have played each other twice in public press only and each time I managed a solo ;p

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France
SynalonEtuul (1050 D)
Won. Bet: 77 D, won: 294 D
19 supply-centers, 16 units
Italy
Danaman (1666 D)
Survived. Bet: 77 D, won: 131 D
8 supply-centers, 9 units
Turkey
Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
Survived. Bet: 77 D, won: 115 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
England
Hobbs (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 77 D, won: D
0 supply-centers, 2 units
Russia
Xman4246 (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 77 D, won: D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Germany
danforth (1446 D)
Defeated. Bet: 77 D
Austria
Sleazy Cloud (112 D)
Defeated. Bet: 77 D
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