Finished: 07 PM Mon 31 May 21 UTC
Featured GUNBOAT 170421
1 day /phase
Pot: 1750 D - Autumn, 1914, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
31 May 21 UTC GG everyone. I didn't realize I hadn't put up my draw vote.
France, My attack on Bur was so you could retreat to Bel and get a build. I didn't need both fleets in the Baltic and would have disbanded GoB. Sorry if it caused you undue stress.
31 May 21 UTC Gg. For a while I thought I had it, but you all turn on me on the right time.

I didn't understand the Italian and Turkish game, btw.
31 May 21 UTC I was pretty screwed once you attacked and couldn’t really do much to push back so figured I might as well take Italy down with me for being behind the ruin of most of my game
31 May 21 UTC Cool to see a game where Russia does well!!
31 May 21 UTC GG everyone. Germany, I saw your maneuver in burg, but it wasn´t necessary to get into bel because our south flank was at safe. Thanks :)
31 May 21 UTC GG Everyone.

I think Turkey summed it up well enough with the back half of their statement. I tried to show my intentions to cease fire due to the Russian threat. For two years I tried to help Turkey defend their home centres, but it looked as if they had decided upon mutually-assured self-destruction early on. I was a little surprised at the choice. I stabbed Austria in 1903, and Russia turned on Turkey in 1904. I was expecting either/both of those events to cause a realignment of IT relations, but Turkey never wavered in their focus.
31 May 21 UTC To be fair, you’re full of it. You’re omitting the fact that you supported Russia into Budapest in S1904, which in my view induced Russia to attack (since they did the very next turn) and attacked Aegean in F1904 and tried to support Russia into Bulgaria the same turn.
31 May 21 UTC I meant no offence. Was just providing feedback. Use it (or not) as you will.

Both statements you made are true (although attacking Aegean was more about cutting potential support than it was about attack g). But those events both took place before I made attempts to assist you. I’m just saying I was surprised at how early you invoked MAD, that’s all. Doing so is 100% your decision, and you obviously achieved your goal. I just though I’d share the feedback.

As much as spite is a valid motivation, if you invoke it too early/often, then over the long haul, the person who suffers the most is you. (By the way, those last two uses of “you” are the plural form).
31 May 21 UTC It just seems less like feedback and more like goalpost shifting and revisionist commentary, to be honest. Your first message talked about how you expected two events to shift our relations while omitting the fact that you continued to attack me after those two events occurred. Now it’s a shift to your isolated support moves, which occurred nonsequentially (so with no consistency or reliability) - conveniently, in a way that if I’d bought into it after the first in S1905, would’ve let you get back to Ionian while you set up your defenses while I attacked Russia without any of your support (because you didn’t order it). Against the background of you stabbing Austria, perhaps twice, depending on how one views the Trieste opening, and Russia within the span of a few years. Apologies if I’m not buying it, although maybe others on here with more experience than me will weigh in about whether they’d have trusted you there. I see it as a failed attempt to play me and Russia off each other while you profit and nothing else.
31 May 21 UTC You make a good point. It very well could be revisionist history. I just jumped in and commented without a lot of forethought. I’m sure my opinion was coloured much more by the end result than by my thoughts in those game moments. But I can tell you that any revisionism wasn’t consciously fabricated to suit a specific narrative. Just my raw thoughts, which I’m sure carry bias.

I didn’t keep any notes or a journal, so I can’t reliably tell you what I was thinking in the moment in 1904/5. I do recall eventually abandoning my position to Russia in hopes of amplifying the threat to save my bacon. So I can tell you that at least beyond the specific timeframe that our conversation has keyed in on, I definitely wasn’t profit focused.
31 May 21 UTC Italy and Austria are destined for destruction if they do not permanently form an alliance. Simple as that!
31 May 21 UTC I think Italy can secure a draw in gunboat by attacking Austria immediately, but it’s extremely difficult to solo with such a strategy.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Russia
quarryman (5022 D)
Drawn. Bet: 250 D, won: 438 D
16 supply-centers, 15 units
Germany
The Czech (43126 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 250 D, won: 438 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
France
josemurc (32490 D)
Drawn. Bet: 250 D, won: 438 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
England
swordsman3003 (14080 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 250 D, won: 438 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Italy
Bam47 (909 D)
Defeated. Bet: 250 D
Austria
sweetwatersam (4617 D)
Defeated. Bet: 250 D
Turkey
Aristocrat (776 D)
Defeated. Bet: 250 D
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