Finished: 09 PM Tue 25 May 21 UTC
Desperado XI
1 day /phase
Pot: 707 D - Autumn, 1923, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Kjells (1141 D)
12 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1907: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
25 May 21 UTC Well played England. It's too bad that Italy threw, but I can't blame him that much. I was happy with a 3 way draw, but with hidden votes, it's tricky to signal that. If I hadn't backed up after it was down to the 3 of us, maybe I could've beaten you to Tunis for the 17-17 draw. Oh well, c'est la vie.
25 May 21 UTC @Austria if you were aiming for a 3 way draw, then, in Autumn 1920, you could have left your fleet in Eas and not built another one. My three fleets were sufficient to stalemate England (together with armies in Pie and Tus).
The fact that you moved on me made me think you were going for a 2 way draw. I still supported you into GoL in Autumn 1922, thinking that you might leave me Rom and/or Nap. Since you took both of them, I knew I was going to be eliminated, and in that situation I threw to England.

I agree that it can be tricky to signal, but since your fleets were not needed for the stalemate you could have just left them in Wes and Adr. Not moving on me would have been the signal that you wanted a 3 way draw.
25 May 21 UTC Oops that should say *Eas* rather than *Wes* in the second paragraph
25 May 21 UTC This was a very enjoyable game. Who would have thought that England and Austria would be the big players in the end if you looked at the game after like 4 or 5 years.

Ever since the year 1913 or so I was hoping to make this a 2-way draw with Austria, since I knew getting past the stalemate line would be very difficult. And I was afraid me trying it anyway would lead to everyone band together and then getting a 5 or 6 way draw with difficulty eliminating the small players.

Therefor I gave Austria all the room so he would at no point feel threatened so he could focus on eliminating Russia and Turkey. When that seemed to get in a stalemate I tried for a moment(1916) to see if a solo would be possible, but at that point it was already to late and I got a very swift response from Italy and Austria, so decided that a 2 or 3-way split probably was the best possible outcome. I offered to give the remains of France in spain and Portugal to Italy to again show I wasn't trying a solo and to eliminate France.
I was going to leave it at that if Italy would have kept his line against me and found an understanding with Austria.

But then when Austria defeated Turkey and Russia a 3-way was a cerainty. And given that Italy wasn't really defending against me very thorougly as they were still worried in the east, I took Spain and Portugal myself, but did so with armies to signal to Austria that my intention wasn't a solo, but a 2-way split. At that point it was up to them to either take it or leave as a 2-way split always is a bit tricky and they had the precarious situation in it.
That is also why in sprin 1921 I didn't move into the mediterranean.

But then I saw Austria move into Italy and Italy move all the way east to defend, so I had free play to even try a solo (which at that point I hadn't really planned for)

So I had a free attempt at a solo. I was expecting Austria to play a precarious balance between attemting to take all of Italy and defending against me, but I knew without communication a mistake would be easily made so I had a chance for a solo if mistakes were made.

If I wouldn't have been able to take the solo, I would have fully withdrawn behind the stalemate line and waited for Austria to take Italy anyway, so there was little chance for Italy surviving unless Austria refused to take out Italy. I suppose Italy realised that when they threw the game to me.

Not the way I hoped to win this game, but I can understand why they did it, and to be honest in Italies situation I might have done the same.
If I would have been Austria I would have stayed away from italy as much as possible and not built that last fleet, to show them I was aiming for a 3-way split to not trigger what basicly happened here in the end. But that, I suppose, is just my careful nature.

Anyway, I really enjoyed this game. So thanks for this very good game :)
25 May 21 UTC Very happy for the english solo. It could have been a 4 way draw (eng, aust, italy, turk), but austria did the shit and finally he got the same points as italy or me :)
25 May 21 UTC I should have gone after England when I had the chance. My fault....
Good game!
25 May 21 UTC Well it made sense for you to go against Germany with me giving how the game started. I suppose around 1910 you had a chance to come after me, which I half suspected you would do. I was glad to see that fleet built in Marseilles. Then after 1911 I had to come after you cause you had advanced to far into Germany, so if I would stay allies with you I would have no room and there would be too big a risk of getting stabbed myself. And with the fall of Russia a peace with Austria would be much easier and much more stable then with France.

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England
Kjells (1141 D)
Won. Bet: 101 D, won: 707 D
18 supply-centers, 17 units
Austria
dagabs0 (24348 D)
Survived. Bet: 101 D
16 supply-centers, 15 units
France
Werner (1315 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Italy
Hythloday (95 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Germany
yolo5 (92 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Turkey
josemurc (32490 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Russia
Beaumont (777 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
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