Finished: 01 PM Wed 14 Apr 21 UTC
Big 50 Classic
2 days /phase
Pot: 350 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
02 Feb 21 UTC Spring, 1901: Hello everyone!
To a lasting world peace!
02 Feb 21 UTC Spring, 1901: Now, due to a violent change in government, the Shadow Foreign Minister, Lord Greengrass is open to making DMZ's until a government can be democratically elected and restored to the great Republic of France.

For the period of 1901, France can demilitarise the English Channel. They hope that in return, England will consider making the English a marine sancturary, for the fishes and not the boats of man.

For the period of 1901, France wishes that Piedmont is vacated by any Italian foreign aid workers.

De omnibus dubitandum: the personal motto of the Greengrass family. Always be suspicious. Always be properly prepared. I have the utmost faith however that the truth will set us free. Post tenebras lux. After darkness, light. Evil abhors the light. Therefore, let us negotiate openly, and not within the shadows of DM. Especially on matters where a cruel deception would be crippling to the fifty points I bet on this.

England, Italy, I expect your answers in 24 hours time.
02 Feb 21 UTC Spring, 1901: Actually, I had a look at my calender, and I can accept answers up to 24 and fourteen hours (38) time, before I will have to lock in my orders. So, uh, I got carried away with my monolouge and twenty four sounded like a cool number to me. So, 38 hours.
02 Feb 21 UTC Spring, 1901: I would also like to have Switzerland a DMZ as we do not want our troops to perish in the treacherous Alps when moving through
02 Feb 21 UTC Spring, 1901: LOL xD
02 Feb 21 UTC Spring, 1901: Good luck everyone (except my enemies)!
02 Feb 21 UTC Spring, 1901: Which is everyone correct?
02 Feb 21 UTC Spring, 1901: Haha
04 Feb 21 UTC Autumn, 1901: Sigh. Global press as a way of diplomacy just failed I guess.
04 Feb 21 UTC Autumn, 1901: Wow not to often you see the black untouched
04 Feb 21 UTC Autumn, 1901: I heard it is not very nice this time of year :D
06 Feb 21 UTC Autumn, 1901: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
06 Feb 21 UTC Autumn, 1901: Uh, the edging is killing me.
24 Feb 21 UTC Autumn, 1903: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
25 Feb 21 UTC Autumn, 1903: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
26 Feb 21 UTC Autumn, 1903: Hey everyone, good luck to all rest of the way.
07 Mar 21 UTC Spring, 1905: Can we ready up here, no need for this delay
14 Mar 21 UTC Autumn, 1906: No need for the full 2 days here gents, let's get the moves in and ready up
15 Mar 21 UTC Autumn, 1906: Shame that the game is gonna take longer :( I have zero interest left for this game :((
15 Mar 21 UTC Autumn, 1906: Agreed
15 Mar 21 UTC Autumn, 1906: Stop playing for a draw and it might get interesting. Seems like all games now are a rush to draw then stop.
15 Mar 21 UTC Autumn, 1906: What board are you looking at?
15 Mar 21 UTC Autumn, 1906: What board are you looking at?
15 Mar 21 UTC Autumn, 1906: What board are you looking at?
19 Mar 21 UTC Spring, 1907: You guys can't even knock out England this turn, very brutal
27 Mar 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
09 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1910: Since this game took so long, here is my analyze of the map (I am sure both Italy and Austria know this already, but let's just put everything to the same page):

Let's split the map in 3 parts of Europe: West, Central and East part.

1) West:
Let's assume Germany brings his units to Marseilles (army) and MAO (fleet). So far Italian units in Portugal and Western Mediterranean support hold Spain and North Africa just sits there, Germany cannot take anything. This means that starting from this point Italy can completely ignore all the German movements in the west and set:

Portugal support hold Spain
Western Mediterranean support hold Spain
North Africa hold
Spain hold

and both Portugal and Spain are completely safe.

2) Central:
In the central part, I will put focus on Piedmont, Tyrolia and Vienna.

As we concluded in the section 1, Italian fleet in Gulf of Lyon is not needed to defend western part. That means, Italy can move this fleet to Piedmont and just leave it sitting there. After that, there is no more passing through Piedmont for German armies. This would completely lock the west part of Europe.

Of course, in order to move the Italian fleet from Gulf of Lyon to Piedmont, the Italian army located in Piedmont needs to move away. Where, to Tyrolia of course. How? Easily. Only German unit that can support hold Tyrolia is Munich, and that support can be cut off by Austrian army in Bohemia. Venice should support move from Piedmont to Tyrolia. Of course, Austrian armies from Budapest and Vienna should bounce in Trieste so that German army from Tyrolia cannot retreat there (the trick of supporting one of the Austrian units to Trieste would fail because of the incoming attack from Piedmont). In this situation it is completely irrelevant if Austria looses Bohemia (what could happen).

To summarize the moves:

Gulf of Lyon move to Piedmont
Piedmont move to Tyrolia
Venice support move Piedmont to Tyrolia

Bohemia move to Munich
Vienna move to Trieste
Budapest move to Trieste
Serbia hold (Serbia is not needed any more)

With this set of moves (which will succeed regardless of what Germany does), Italian fleet would end up in Piedmont and Italian armies would end up in Venice and Tyrolia. Austria would have a unit in Vienna. After that, Venice can just support hold Tyrolia and Tyrolia can support hold Vienna. So far Galicia stays safe (what is topic of section 3), Germany cannot do absolutely anything to pass through.

3) East:
As stated in section 2, keeping Galicia safe is the key to protect Vienna. Warsaw and Moscow are completely irrelevant and there is no point in defending them. So this is what I will do: I will move Ukraine down to Rumania and Moscow down to Ukraine. Germany is free to take Moscow and Warsaw. Now, let's assume you do so and you have your armies in Bohemia, Silesia, Warsaw and Moscow.

Galicia can be attacked with 3 units (Bohemia, Silesia and Warsaw). Well, we have even a unit to spare in order to defend Galicia. Galicia will be supported to hold by Rumania and Budapest (what is already enough), plus Vienna can support it as well (you would need Bohemia to cut that support off).

You cannot get Ukraine since you can attack it with two units (Moscow and Warsaw) and Ukraine will be supported to hold by Sevastopol.

Sevastopol can potentially get attacked only from Moscow, what will not bring anything to Germany.

SUMMARY:

Germany, as you can see, it is very easy for us to lock you down. Of course, if some of us would not want to do that and give you victory, that is something else, but I think both Austria and Italy are smart enough.

Also, please notice that ALL the moves, from ALL 3 SECTIONS are completely independent from everything you do (you cannot do anything to stop them).

Therefore, can we please make it quick and draw right away? Or am I missing something in my analytics? XD
09 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1910: 2 things you're missing. In section 1 you put loose and not lose.

Second I'm not that smart
09 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1910: Section 2, my apologies, see my intelligence already showing haha
09 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1910: Also, turkey for president
09 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1910: Yeah, one additional 'o' slipped through XD

Anyway, this is only one scenario to lock Germany, there are more, but I think I made my point XD
10 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1910: I guess Germany doesn't believe the facts
10 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1910: XD
10 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1910: The question is, do I take st Pete and get behind him...
12 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1910: Hey Germany, could you please write in a few words what are you aiming for...

The other option to speed things up is to contact moderators and say that we have stalemate line...

In that case you will have to explain to moderators how you plan to win the game (of course, your explanations must not be based on the assumption that we will make mistake), otherwise they will force draw...

But anyway, would be cool to talk and see where we stand at...
12 Apr 21 UTC Spring, 1910: To me it also looks like you intentionally stall the game since you cannot do anything but destroy the unit from Tyrolia, but still take 2 days for the move XD XD

Desperate measures for desperate times XD
12 Apr 21 UTC Good game all!
12 Apr 21 UTC Well played everyone! Didn't see a way forward so decided to call it here.
12 Apr 21 UTC GG all! It was an interesting one, but I'm glad we managed to come to a draw in the end.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Germany
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 88 D
15 supply-centers, 14 units
Italy
Pinecone333 (217 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 88 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Turkey
NotMeNooo (118 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 88 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Austria
Kugs (1815 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 88 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
England
Michkov (40 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
France
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Russia
Newmunich (208 D (B))
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Civil Disorders
Beneficial Insurance (100 D)France (Autumn, 1903) with 0 centres.
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