Finished: 07 PM Tue 16 Mar 21 UTC
Daily Gunboat-11
1 day /phase
Pot: 105 D - Spring, 1921, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
21 Feb 21 UTC Spring, 1914: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
16 Mar 21 UTC Great game all! This was my first gunboat game and I’m hooked on them now. Glad we drew this one instead of spending the next month going back and forth over Galicia
16 Mar 21 UTC Thanks for the game everyone. Most of you are more experienced than me, and I felt like I had a hard time understanding the other players’ thoughts during this game, more so than in most of the other gunboat games I’ve played. So if anyone is willing to share what they were thinking, I’d definitely be interested in hearing. I’m especially curious what England was trying to signal to me in 1904-1910, and about Turkey’s moves in the endgame—were you trying to play for a two-way draw or solo win, or was Germany the only draw holdout?
16 Mar 21 UTC Two-way draw isn’t really an option because someone gets to 18 centers before you get to two remaining countries. When the stalemate line formed across Tyrolia, Bohemia, Galicia, and Ukraine, my best shot at a solo was to get Italy out of the game ASAP and to the Iberian Peninsula first and take Marseilles too. That was a tall order and honestly once Italy was dealt with, my only option to get any positive result was to keep France alive and did so with my holds in Marseilles and Spain.
16 Mar 21 UTC I voted draw Spring of 1920
16 Mar 21 UTC GG

At the end I was shooting for a solo, I was across the stalemate line, so I took a shot. Earlier I thought England would have attacked you (after supporting me in defense against your attacks on belgium), but when he refused to move against you, I had to kill him.

It became a race - could I kill England and france faster than turkey could kill italy.

But for some reason italy sent his fleets wandering off to the south of france instead of defending his centres ... and that was the beginning of the end.

I was the last to vote draw
16 Mar 21 UTC @Turkey: So you still thought you could solo win up until then? Germany was bigger than you and was already in MAO (!) in 1919 when you started attacking me. I guess it’s your first gunboat game, so I don’t mean to be critical, but from my point of view your moves were a huge mixed signal. Some players are going to throw the solo if you attack them from behind like that—if they perceive that you’re trying to eliminate them from the draw. Since your moves got me started thinking about it, I think a two-way draw might have been possible here, FWIW.

@Germany: I think I agree with everything you said. England looked like they were more interested in being your ally than in being mine, but after 1903 they stopped attacking me and started issuing support holds to both of us at the same time. Seems like they were trying to signal something, but at the end it was to England’s and my detriment, as you were able to grow by attacking Russia, while England and I were stuck. I was also thinking about the endgame as a race between you and Turkey, which is why I propped up England as much as possible and sent fleets to harass Italy, because I thought you had a significant advantage and were a much bigger threat to eliminate me. In fact, I was feeling pretty good about my chances of drawing with you and Turkey starting around 1910, even though I failed to ever grow beyond 6 centers. And I was confused about what Italy was doing with that fleet too.
16 Mar 21 UTC I wasn’t going to vote draw until after Italy was gone and I was for sure I couldnt solo. The only way I could have know. For sure was to at least try to see what I could do. The east grab was Tunis but I didn’t have a way to swing my fleets out.
And I guess you are right about a two way draw possibility. But it’s not what I was thinking.
16 Mar 21 UTC Easy not east
16 Mar 21 UTC 2 way draws are VERY risky
all it takes is one tiny wrong move by any player and it becomes a solo
16 Mar 21 UTC Exactly.
17 Mar 21 UTC Wow, you guys went on for a LONG time after I was eliminated. Congrats to the winners.

I was screwed the moment that Russia decided to waltz into Budapest, despite the fact that I wanted to work with him against Turkey. But oh well; that's playing Austria for you. GG Everyone!
17 Mar 21 UTC You had a great start, but for some reason you lunged all of your troops west at italy in that one year and it lost you the game. Damn fine start though
17 Mar 21 UTC I thought I was completely done in 1902
17 Mar 21 UTC LOL, I was trying to help you, Germany!

Sort of, anyway. I didn't like Italy being in my territory, even if I wasn't his main target. Made it too easy for him to potentially backstab me later. Also, I figured that after getting off to such a crummy start, Russia would reciprocate and be my friend if I turned my forces away from him. That was clearly a miscalculation.

To be fair, though, I genuinely do think that Russia messed up by attacking me. He had no way of defending Budapest long term, and all he did by attacking me was ensure that Italy and Turkey got all of my territory.
17 Mar 21 UTC I'd say his mistake was building the fleet instead of another army. russia and austria can't really ally, so a fight is inevitable. i dont think he was trying to take bud, i think he meant to tap it, expecting your army to stay put

regardless, you lunging at italy and russia fighting both of you opened the door for turkey

Pretty solid game all peeps
17 Mar 21 UTC gg all.

I can’t really remember why I stuck the fleet in the north. Potentially tried to stick to the strategy too much after opening north

I can’t really say much considering how it ended for turkey but I was trying to make it pretty clear I wanted to work with turkey. Italy and Austria fighting could have been a great opportunity for us.

I thought the fact that I was supporting my fleet to sev and not my army there would have made that clear. Combined with the fact that Austria didn’t reciprocate after turkey supported them into Greece meaning they didn’t have an ally without me.

I hoped not building in Sev would make them be the final thing to confirm my intentions and turkey would convoy over to bul. I don’t know if they didn’t see what I was doing or just didn’t want to work with me.

I think I should have cut my losses and stuck a unit in Sev. At least not carried on continuing to try to show turkey I didn’t want a war with them
17 Mar 21 UTC Hmm, that's a fair point about me not reciprocating Turkey's support. My reasoning was: I didn't need his support to get into Greece anyway (I could have supported myself in from Serbia, and I would have if not for the Italian entry into my territory), so the support he offered me was more of a gesture to let me know Turkey was interested in an alliance than an actual act of friendship. But I do see how my ignoring that gesture could cause others to view me as an unreliable ally.
17 Mar 21 UTC Agreed you didn't need it. I was somewhat hoping that after your response to Turkey extending the olive branch was to take Bulgaria from them would motivate Turkey to get off my back when I was trying to indicate I had no issues with Turkey.

I don't think there was anything wrong with what you did or that it made you an unreliable ally as you had never made any moves to show you wanted to ally Turkey. I just referenced it as I think it was part of the reason I wrongly relied on Turkey changing up their strategy.

I should have paid more attention to the person trying to actually work with me rather than my fantasy of rolling through a warring Italy and Austria with Turkey at my side
17 Mar 21 UTC Oh and as Germany said probably focused a lot less on the North as I was unlikely to win that battle
17 Mar 21 UTC I hit a point where after Austria kicked me out of Bulgaria that I ended up just fighting to get any foothold I could, so nothing personal there Russia, I just started fighting since I thought I was done. I got lucky with my convoy to Rumania and at that point I knew I could get Sevastopol and then knew Italy would deal with Austria and then come for me. At that point, I knew I was back in the game and made moves to support hold Russia the whole rest of the time. Not my most sound strategy but its what I did and somehow it worked out.

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Germany
Macchiavelli (2351 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
Turkey
zoosee12 (329 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
France
ThePremier (464 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
England
josemurc (31440 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Italy
Pantalone (174 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Austria
Pinecone333 (217 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Russia
Talby2 (285 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
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