Finished: 02 PM Thu 17 Dec 20 UTC
Bitipatibi2
1 day, 1 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1906, Finished
Classic, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
0 excused missed turn
Game drawn
13 Dec 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Idk man maybe keep playing or get booted for not placing orders
14 Dec 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Hmmmm.....Interesting......

Anyone else ever been involved in an almost completely map-wide cold war before?
15 Dec 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
15 Dec 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Austria gets the "Whole lotta heart" award for having no centers, yet ordering the only move towards another player's territory, and for being the only player who did so. Congratulations. You have more courage than the rest of us combined.
15 Dec 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Austria left the game. I guess they put all their courage into that last attack and died before they could save their build order
15 Dec 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Right. I just think it's cool that Austria ordered his last unit to do something before losing the unit.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: This 6 way clusterf*** is ridiculous. This is an example of how online games turn into a bunch of people end up sitting arond on pcs going hmmm while life passes them by. I don't mean real life, I mean game life. Any game can be fun if you make it fun. Any game can be a drag if you sitting around acting coy, untouchable, as if your shit doesn't stink, as if you are the princess and the pea. The advent of the computer has ruined games, and this individual game we are playing is the poster child of no fun. Someone do something.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Checck this, for example. France actually blocked my messages! LOL. Talk about letting internet protocol ruining a good game.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Hey, let's just have the 6 way draw, so everyone gets a trophy for not winning! And while we're at it, let's subvert civilization back down to stone tools and arranged marriages!
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: I think you're about to lose your footing on this game, it will be over soon. It's okay. Losing happens in this game.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: lose my footing? What does that mean? Are we having group therapy? I though it was a game.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: .......so..... is everyone wanting to go for a six way draw, or are we all happy to play the diplomat's/oportunists game?.......
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Can we cancel?
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: I mean, we really should play it out. Someone should make a move, but on the other hand, we practically have a stalemate. This isn't what the designers had in mind as a stalemate, I don't think. It's a pitiful stalement. This game is worthless.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Is there actually a stalemate?
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Not in your case. I've been pming you.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: It's not a stalemate if we don't repeat these same moves, but if one person changed and no one else did, thye would make themselves vulnerable. It's more what I called it before. Worthless.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Germany I’m not sure if this is a ploy to prompt other players to action but you really should keep your emotions in check. A standoff like this can be a really interesting opportunity for diplomacy, not just a frustration
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Good point. But it is not a ploy. It is an open, honest call to action. Not every action on my part is deceiptful like most of the cyberdips(just a convenient term) out there.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: ........thankyou Russia.......someone else 'gets' it.....

....( i have tried to explain this to Germany, in DM's, but i think my comm skills might need improving some).....
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: I do get it. It gives more time to talk, mull things over, forget commitments to good allies while forming new ones based on deceipt. But, England, some of you, there really are some things you don't get. The game isn't meant to be played over hundreds of miles of distance on computer, by unemotional "cyberdip", with excused turns making the game last forever. It's really meant to be played at a table at a fun fast pace. I am grateful that there are online games, but why lose the spirit of a fun game in favor of a yawning festival?
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: And Russia, Keep my emotions in check? Only one who has no emotions is bothered by another's emotion.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: I put out my draw vote as a show of good faith and a courtesy to others. I overexpanded and got recently humbled by Turkey and England and I’m hesitant to start up engines again, but I think this game is far from over
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: I've realized that the live games are probably my solution, and btw, all the games I'm in are not this boring.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: I agree with your points Germany, as far as emotions are concerned I just hate to see anyone get frustrated or angry with diplomacy when it’s supposed to be a game played for fun. I agree it’s a much funner game when played live or with 5-10 minute turns and I’m planning on sticking with those in the future actually
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: I have to agree with you on the speed of the game sometimes, but because it allows for intermittant play it means we can fit it in around our RL activities, otherwise we would not have time/opportunity to participate at all.

You are expecting us all to prioritise the needs of the game when the timeframe doesnt require that.

This is a point everyone has to tolerate when signing up to participate in online games such as this, and this is why i (personally) usually avoid games with a time phase of more than a day or 2.

If you want a focussed gaming session, (-and i understand this-i usually have an evening a week with friends like this) you either need to join a game with a shorter time phase, or the original board game is more appropriate for what you are looking for......

....but regards missing turns issue-yes, i willingly directly agree with you. Its just bad social skills.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Hopefully i have improved my comm skills some with this?
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Sorry-this was intended as a reply to Germany-i realise i have missed stating that.
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: .....but yes, i agree with Russia's standpoint-i think they have their finger on squarely on the pulse.....
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Sorry to ask this - i haven't been paying attention - Italy, are you still intending to leave the game this turn?
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Maybe best to revert back to private messages at this point. Italy has a move locked in
15 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1906: Ah right yes-so they have.

Sorry Italy, not quite on the ball here tonight (extenuating circumstances).....
16 Dec 20 UTC Only turkey wants to play...
16 Dec 20 UTC If England draws i will
16 Dec 20 UTC Now it’s up to England to hit draw
16 Dec 20 UTC ......an uneccessary end to what could have turned into a good game, but im not going to bother to fight against the majority vote.

Lets all just move on i guess........
16 Dec 20 UTC I would have gone on, but the majority was weighing heavily.
16 Dec 20 UTC Hmmm........no Germany, i'm pretty sure you gave this game the kiss of death by sharing your pessimism around......

I have to admit through, very well engineered result from the back seat there.

You've got what you wanted, and taught me the power of passively sowing the seeds of a negative mental attitude.....
16 Dec 20 UTC -so thankyou. I hope i have the opportunity to use that in a game against you in the future.
16 Dec 20 UTC Yes, it was all me. I forced everyone to not move. I was the one encouraging action. You're the one with the sour attitude. Next time try jumping on opportunities, speaking with your partner more, and yes, being patient like you were saying.
16 Dec 20 UTC Iithink that was not good for the flow of the game the changes in austria and turkey it perturbed diplomacy and at one point nobody knew what to do and stayed hold looking the others
16 Dec 20 UTC For my point of view that was what it made the game poor , I exchanged messages with france, germany, both austrias and both turkey and Russia.
16 Dec 20 UTC You mean it wasn't all my fault, like England says? But he's always right.
16 Dec 20 UTC Part of this online game is working with new entrants. It happens and shouldn’t be an excuse to give up. I’m honestly surprised at how emotional and at times petty this game got. Russia just stabbed me for Budapest, i think i could have won his trust back or choose to try to get Italy to trust me again (more unlikely). We’ll never know. If i ever see the likes of you all again, I hope you don’t tuck tail so quickly and cry about your ideals when this should be pretty straightforward.
16 Dec 20 UTC Nail on the head turkey.

I wish you could be privvy to some of the msgs i sent to Germany during the game desperately trying to explain exactly these principles....oh well, points for trying England i guess, lol......
16 Dec 20 UTC I really think Turkey and I agree on much. I think England and I agree on a few things. Sometimes it's hard to see that you agree with someone when you are busy talking. Let's summarize my grievances that I think are reasonable: 1)These days too many people are too willing to stab 2) These days stabbing is the first technique many choose, and they rarely choose diplomacy or teamwork. 3) When they choose teamwork, they use stabbing instead of good old fashioned tactics on the map 4) online games make 1, 2, 3 easier. 5) multiple excused turns also make 1, 2, 3 easier. These gripes reallaren't that gripy. They are actually reasonable. Now, any of you can choose to agree or dis agree, but at least consider what I've written.
16 Dec 20 UTC that's "really aren't".
16 Dec 20 UTC Besides, you all chose to hit the draw button. Be responsible, don't be a victim. Own your choice.
16 Dec 20 UTC Be well and Happy holidays
16 Dec 20 UTC I havent read your reply Germany. I no longer care.......

As Turkey says, Happy Holidays all.......

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Russia
wwar (250 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 11 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Turkey
himbo (113 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 9 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
danikine74 (132 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
France
ozymandias_ (552 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Germany
fourofswords (513 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 3 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
England
Private Bean (155 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 3 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Austria
DavidWash (95 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
rpg101 (100 D)Austria (Spring, 1904) with 2 centres.
Suck on the Kick Stick (tm) (95 D)Turkey (Autumn, 1903) with 5 centres.
CoffeeAndKeyboards (75 D)Austria (Autumn, 1903) with 2 centres.
Uspaoverusapl (100 D)Russia (Spring, 1901) with 4 centres.
Gunner_Riley (100 D)England (Spring, 1901) with 3 centres.
DavidWash (95 D)Austria (Autumn, 1905) with 0 centres.
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