Finished: 08 AM Sat 18 Jul 20 UTC
Gunboat Live!-70
5 minutes /phase
Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1926, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
0 excused missed turn
Game won by New England Fire Squad (3283 D (G))
18 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1903: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
18 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
18 Jul 20 UTC Spring, 1916: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
18 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1917: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
18 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1917: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
18 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1917: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
18 Jul 20 UTC I fucked up that draw - it was 2 am sorry
18 Jul 20 UTC GG's
18 Jul 20 UTC its 4 am now
18 Jul 20 UTC I don't normally swear on the site, since it's only a game. But, it's also 04:00 in the morning here and we had been stalemated for five years before Austria messed up.
I hope you're fucking proud of yourself, Germany since this is fucking ridiculous.
18 Jul 20 UTC I didn't see what you did wrong. It was 50/50 guess either way.
18 Jul 20 UTC I swear to fucking god new england I am never going to play a game with you again if given the choice
18 Jul 20 UTC Good to see you again, PF. And I'm fine with it. I had draw up for awhile until you didn't try to get any farther than the Tyrnennian sea.
18 Jul 20 UTC It was a stalemate - could have kept munich and held onto it
18 Jul 20 UTC Good night
18 Jul 20 UTC ah well, cheers. This game kind of sucked, and should have ended 10 years ago in a draw
18 Jul 20 UTC My apologies, have a good night.
18 Jul 20 UTC night :)
18 Jul 20 UTC New England, I owe you an apology. It having been 04:00 in the morning is not a good reason to get carried away like that. I'm sorry to not have chosen my words more wisely.

But I think the reason for my frustration should be obvious. We had a fully realised stalemate line in S1920. Austria and I did mess around with Munich and Berlin, but from my perspective, that should have never resulted in any change in the game state. It only did because of 6 more years of random back and forths, and a single tactical misstep. Why didn't you draw at the end of 1920 after the eliminations of Italy and England? What, were you waiting for?


Austria, I don't blame you at all for New England's solo—I think the game should have been drawn well before that was at all a possibility—but it *was* entirely preventable. From my perspective, all the messing around with Munich and Berlin was tactically pointless and strategically risky. Getting Ber was fine, but we just didn't have the units in the right place to stalemate it. Getting Mun wasn't enough, though, since it isn't a stalematable position in the long run. (Although Germany's lack of ability to build might have been enough to keep it, particularly if I had pressed the south.) But at the end of the day, taking them wouldn't change anything in the final state of the game, but did risk putting us out of position. I supported you into Munich since we had nothing better to do waiting around for Germany to draw, but that was a mistake on my part. We should have just fallen back to the War/Mos stalemate line to make it absolutely clear to Germany that nothing was about to change.
The single turn that sunk our chance of fallen back safely was A1925 when Livonia got force disbanded. For the past 7 turns before, Ukraine had been supporting Liv-Mos to try to encourage Liv to retreat to Mos, and Mos to Sev, to finalise our line. I'm not sure if you're aware, but failed moves don't show up on the small, in-page map. Especially for gunboats, where the only way to communicate is through moves, I encourage you to press the pop-out button in the middle of the map navigation menu under the small map to pull up the big map to see what other orders might be missing.
18 Jul 20 UTC Ah, Germany, I just saw your forum post to my illegal thread (
18 Jul 20 UTC Oh that's funny. Apparently emojis break chat?

... but did you really not see that Austria had basically tactically invincible movesets to pull back to the Mos/War line basically every year from 1920 onwards?
18 Jul 20 UTC I went to bed at 3. I could not figure out why Turkey would not force the issue in West Med. Spain and Mar should have fallen. It would have ensured the stalemate. By not moving west you only encouraged the type of play you got from Germany. Why would he draw when you weren't forcing it? He went after the one part of the board that he could. You should have opened the Med front.
18 Jul 20 UTC Why did turkey support Germany into Moscow in spring 1905? Why did prefer Germany having it over me?
18 Jul 20 UTC I knew invalid moves didnt show up on the smaller map but did not know they showed up on the popout map. Ill have to do that more.

And yeah, I just wasnt thinking, and when livonia got force disbanded I was kicking myself. I dont have much experience with endgame draw positions - this was certainly a game to learn from. I was surprised when you just stopped at tyyrh and stopped helping me into munich - I understand why now but last night it was really frustrating to see
18 Jul 20 UTC Gah it seems so obvious in hindsight - just write off all coastal tiles and see whats left and you get the result. Im rral sorry I couldnt see that last night - I was just so done with the game already, and 4am mind wasnt coming up with proper solutions
18 Jul 20 UTC I was following the game after I was out and there so many chances for Austria to retreat to sev, Moscow, Warsaw, boh, and Vienna. Even in a single turn. Then you could have just held. But also I fully get that’s hard to do at 2am
18 Jul 20 UTC Honestly the only player I thought was a solo threat was turkey
18 Jul 20 UTC I could've forced WMed and tried for Spain and Por, sure. But from my perspective, it wouldn't have changed anything from the 3WD. Maybe if it was a non-live game I might have done it differently, but I wasn't interested in extending the game further, and saw it as over already. I figured holding everything when I was clearly able to push forward would send a clearer message this game should be over. Maybe in hindsight that was a mis-play, but I still think this game should've been drawn long ago.


Russia: I'm sorry about helping to kill you off. I saw what you were trying to do in1902 & 1903, taking Ank for the centre but still trying to work together against Austria. However, once you took Ank and I had to disband, there was no other way I could ensure my security other than getting you out of there. After that, there wasn't much else I could do except try for Sev. In 1905, the support for Germany was because I needed some other help against Austria, and Germany was the best option to do so.
18 Jul 20 UTC Yeah. I didn’t expect turkey to go for the solo. However I really didn’t think Germany would be able to do it
18 Jul 20 UTC PF, I didn't draw because 2 reasons: Med wasn't forced, and much more importantly, no stalemate line was set with the proper set of support holds at any point, nad I felt that due to this, if I could force StP and I knew I could, I'd have a 50/50 shot in War/Mosc.
18 Jul 20 UTC To be 100% honest though, I get your frustrations, and if I didn't work at night on the East Coast, I'd have drawn too. C'est la vie

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Germany
Won. Bet: 10 D, won: 70 D
18 supply-centers, 12 units
Turkey
Survived. Bet: 10 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
Austria
jmdingess (374 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D
4 supply-centers, 3 units
England
The Czech (43126 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
France
yolo5 (34 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Italy
aarodactyl (270 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Russia
TristanFarms (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
TheFlyingBoat (1468 D)England (Autumn, 1917) with 1 centres.
Yunk (100 D)England (Spring, 1916) with 1 centres.
yolo5 (34 D)France (Autumn, 1907) with 6 centres.
Don't even talk to me. (100 D)Italy (Autumn, 1917) with 4 centres.
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