Finished: 02 PM Sat 01 Feb 20 UTC
Imma feed someone to the dogs
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1906, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Maybe we should start thinking to put up some defenses when France gets big.
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: @France, how about no.
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: I will withdraw my vote until this has played out.
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Germany, I'm offering you Belgium. That already puts me in a weak position relative to you when it comes to stalemating in Burgundy. Why would I put myself in that position if I mean to betray you?
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: If you want to reduce the draw size and perhaps even keep playing this game past that point, then let's do this. If not, I can just cancel my orders and go back to turtling. You can have your 6-way draw and earn your 1 point.
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Pretty sure you just gave them both license to divide up your territory. Italy would be all over it too if their fleets weren't all by turkey.
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Perhaps, but better to at least try to be interesting than to give in to bring boring.
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: I have already expressed my support for a 6 way draw. I stand by it.
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Russia, I hope you will reaffirm your support as well.
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: If Germany cannot be convinced to knock England out then there is no point to me trying alone. I will vote for a 6 way draw also and move to defend myself completely. I only wish you all were more willing to play with spirit and fun.
29 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: @Italy and Austria, if you make a move to Tyrolia and Vienna then Germany might be under too much pressure to fully attack me while I attempt to knock out England. If you want to try this and get a 5-way draw let me know, otherwise my draw vote stands
30 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: I stand with Germany
30 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: You're looking at this all wrong France. It's not that everyone has chosen to play a boring game against your wishes, but that you helped to train them into being this cautious by mirroring England's behavior.

I probably contributed a little bit too by getting to overheated about Turkey going against their word, but really they had the right idea for the kind of game you wish to play.

I'm going to abstain from the draw vote until the turn advances and we see what orders people actually have keyed in. If France backs off and nobody makes any offensive moves on France then I'll re-vote to draw, as we are all locked into this very "retaliate but never initiate aggression" behavior set.
30 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: I really have to disagree, Russia. I made many attempts to persuade England and now Germany to break this fear stalemate in the West. At some point the three Western powers have to fight if they actually want to play the game, but England in particular refuses to participate. In most situations like this I would expect Germany to recognize that a non-committal and cowardly England is the weak Target of the three Western powers, but this Germany doesn't even wish to play this game. Instead they want to draw at 6 and keep a boring England in the draw pile. It just perplexes me
30 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: The problem is that I "won" the Nordic area. England is always an exercise in frustration if they don't get some early growth, and since this is public press they can't even scheme effectively. (I hate when I draw England.)

They were small so they needed somebody else to make a move, but you didn't make a move, even though it was clear that you wanted to stir things up. England and Germany spent the whole game waiting to see something happen, but you turtle them instead, and here we are.

Germany *might* still decide to seek some gains here, but I can't tell until I see the turn progress.
30 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: I only have a few options left. I joined this game without realizing it was public press but decided to play it anyways. I am doing my best to make moves that will detriment my already weak position the least.
31 Jan 20 UTC Ohhhh.

I joined it to see what public press is like, but I can see why you'd be completely uncomfortable without privacy to scheme against people.
31 Jan 20 UTC Lots of interesting things happening now. I think I see what you're doing Germany, and it won't work.
31 Jan 20 UTC We all still have our draw votes up and you moved to Bothnia. I will move back too now that you have, though we should draw before that.
31 Jan 20 UTC Was it interesting turn? I am still looking forward to the 6-way draw.
31 Jan 20 UTC Look at all of those moves. It's almost like a real game now.

Seeing as Germany moved away from France, I would like one more confirmation from France that this is going nowhere before I make this the draw that most of us don't seem to really want.
31 Jan 20 UTC I am laughing hard right now. I can't deal with this Germany and England. First they won't do anything, and now when I say I'm ready to draw, Germany is ready to fight!

@Germany, if you're willing to do a F/G alliance then tell me!
@England, I'm up for a truce to put pressure on Russia and get them to vote draw.
@Austria, I'm watching those fleets baby.
@Italy, love how you chillin lmao
31 Jan 20 UTC @Russia, do the draw vote already so we can escape this purgatory
31 Jan 20 UTC Move out of Irish then we can talk
31 Jan 20 UTC @France I will hold my fleets. Feel free to attack England.
31 Jan 20 UTC @Italy if Smyrna is free can you support hold Constantinople please? Thanks!
31 Jan 20 UTC @Austria, what do you think about Russia holding their draw vote ransom?
31 Jan 20 UTC @Russia not sure why Germany shifts focus to you. I am neutral between you two, but free feel to defend the Warsaw area as long as Galicia is kept empty as is now.
31 Jan 20 UTC @France same reason you did perhaps.
31 Jan 20 UTC @Italy, I'd be worried about my Rome and Naples if I were you. Austria is lying to one of us about why those fleets are coming west :)
31 Jan 20 UTC I think he’s probably going for Tunis because I can’t do anything about that one.
31 Jan 20 UTC I’m not worried about him going after Mainland Italy
31 Jan 20 UTC You may want to pursue a more active defense... Two Austrian fleets in the West is never good for Italy in the long run, even if they come my direction first.
31 Jan 20 UTC @France let's stay out of way of Western Mediterranean and North Africa. Otherwise I may have conversations with England. What do you think?
31 Jan 20 UTC @Italy actually I thought about swapping Tunis and Constantinople since some turns ago. But the plan needed Russia.
31 Jan 20 UTC I have to leave for the weekend, so I will save my plans to get France out of the Irish unless anyone convinces me otherwise soon.
31 Jan 20 UTC If you prefer, we may do in Fall if Russia agrees.
31 Jan 20 UTC Otherwise I plan to just keep holding my fleets.
31 Jan 20 UTC I still just want Russia to draw.
31 Jan 20 UTC And defend Tunis from France in case he shifts focus again to the south later
31 Jan 20 UTC @Germany agree.
31 Jan 20 UTC Maybe he is the leader and don't want the chances wasted.
31 Jan 20 UTC Well, the chat got lively, but I said I'd vote when France asked for it, so here it is.
31 Jan 20 UTC Woo! 1 point.
31 Jan 20 UTC You know what? I'm sorry that you joined this Turkey. We are all not very good at this it seems. I would never have guessed that I was gonna get paired up with a group like this one.
31 Jan 20 UTC I just wish I had less fearful neighbours.
31 Jan 20 UTC Hurray
31 Jan 20 UTC You know what I picked 6 points.
31 Jan 20 UTC I prefer to think of this as us defeating the greatest foe of all, webdiplomacy itself by managing to swindle that extra point from it which is the most satisfying possibility of all to me.
31 Jan 20 UTC This game is getting framed on my wall.

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