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Finished: 05 AM Wed 18 Dec 19 UTC
Hail Caesar-3
1 day /phase
Pot: 100 D - Autumn, 7, Finished
The Ancient Mediterranean, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Heffomite (1217 D)
11 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 1: Hi everybody, have a nice game.
17 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 2: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
19 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 2: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
19 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 2: Hi all :D new Rome here :) Please give me some time to read conversations up to now and than I will write to each of you individually :)
19 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 2: GL all!
19 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 2: Welcome, thanks for stepping in.
19 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 2: Hello new Rome!
19 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 2: Hey Carthage, i tried to write you (as a new Rome) but you muted my predessesor... If you feel there is anything to discuss, just write me :)
19 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 2: Hi new Rome. Sorry, I tend to do that to stop notifications
21 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 3: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
21 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 3: damn I did not manage to get on time to enter my orders :(
21 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 3: Now, in my notices it says that Rome went into civil disorder, and my reliability went down, but I still can control Rome :S hmm
21 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 3: It also says it has unreadied all orders, but mine remained ready. How odd lol
24 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 3: Did Greece not enter orders last turn?
24 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 3: Oh, they just entered one order.
25 Nov 19 UTC Spring, 4: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
27 Nov 19 UTC Autumn, 4: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
01 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 5: Moderator: (Aurelin): A user in this game needed an emergency pause.
03 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 5: Any word on when this will resume?
05 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 5: Have no idea...
06 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 5: hmmmmmm
07 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 5: Moderator: (Aurelin): And unpaused.
09 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 5: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
09 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 5: Hi, New Greece here. Take it easy on me
12 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 6: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
12 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 6: NEW Egypt here
13 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 6: Yo Greece, one question, what do you think Persia is going to do with those armies and fleets coming towards you? :)

One thing is clear to me, he will not attack you, but the rest is quite unclear to me, hmm... :/
16 Dec 19 UTC I have received messages from multiple members of this round how they are amazed how dumb Greece is :') But to be honest, I do not believe that someone can be that much stupid, therefore I wrote to the moderators to have a look at the game, and if they say that that level of stupidity is acceptable, we are all good :D GG Persia!
16 Dec 19 UTC Of course, my guess is meta-gaming, that is why I asked moderators to have a look at the game, not because of stupidity ;)
16 Dec 19 UTC I highly doubt it is meta gaming... Calm down Rome, it is just a game. No need to call the police in over losing it :/
16 Dec 19 UTC and he wonders why I didn't want to work with him...
17 Dec 19 UTC Gg
17 Dec 19 UTC Congrats
17 Dec 19 UTC GG
17 Dec 19 UTC Losing a game is no problem at all (not the first, and certainly not the last), but if there is a suspicion of cheating, that is to be reported...

In my first "win" ever, it was on this map (you can check the game). I was Persia, and started fighting Greece right from the start. Egypt and Rome, both Greece's (supposed) allies, stabbed Greece right in the beginning... All what Greece did after that is helped me to solo win the game, and I did it within a few years. That game was reported as well and after Greece explained why they did what they did, it was still fine.

Here, same question, why Greece did what they did? Greece saying "and he wonders why I didn't want to work with him..." is not legit since in the first two move phases he made we had fine conversation and trying to make some kind of deal. He moved towards me right after he joined the game, and nothing could change his mind. First, I always thought there is a plan behind that, but than I realized he is just helping Persia to solo win... Again, the only question is, why :D Of course, I could understand all the moves after I posted first global message, but not the moves before that :D
17 Dec 19 UTC Not sure where this meta-gaming stuff is coming from. New Greece entered the game, looked at his position and said he would obviously get squeezed from one side or the other, and that he would prefer to help me against Rome rather than the other way around. New Egypt essentially said the same thing, as long as I agreed to help him survive rather than be eliminated.
17 Dec 19 UTC I abrter with Persia so I could survive long enough to play a few rounds. I was literally surrounded by them. I couldn't have fought them if I wanted to
17 Dec 19 UTC @Persia: When I play diplomacy I usually try to win, if I cannot, I try to get a draw, if I cannot, I try to survive... that is all I have to say...

@Greece: If you stopped Persia, what you totally could (I even offered help), you would get a draw. And no, I would not stab you... Why? Because I am not stupid, if I stab you, Persia solo wins (when looking at the map, it could not be more clear) :D

Anyway, GG and have fun!
18 Dec 19 UTC Well you stabbed me twice...
18 Dec 19 UTC So actually, you probably would have stabbed Greece (stabbed me even though an alliance with me was the only possible chance to come back into it...!)
18 Dec 19 UTC I also told Greece to go for you as well (for that reason). You really need to make friends and not enemies in diplomacy (clues in the name), as otherwise people just go against you even with defeat looming mate! :')
18 Dec 19 UTC ^
18 Dec 19 UTC Stabbing Greece would lose the game, stabbing you not ;) stabbing is in the nature of this game, if someone cannot handle it, should not play the game ;)
18 Dec 19 UTC You sound so immature... Arguing with you is pointless. Everyone stabs sometimes, but there is a reason people were blatantly against you in this game despite the impending lose. I'll leave you to work it out (clue, it's nothing to do with Meta Gaming and it isn't because Persia was cheating)
18 Dec 19 UTC FYI, you stabbed me (twice), and you lost the game. Conclusion... ;)
18 Dec 19 UTC In fact, looking at the turns, id say the first stabbing was pivotal to you losing the game. ;)
18 Dec 19 UTC Anyway, as you said, arguing with some people is pointless...

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Persia
Heffomite (1217 D)
Won. Bet: 20 D, won: 100 D
18 supply-centers, 13 units
Rome
admirsk (597 D)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
9 supply-centers, 10 units
Carthage
Survived. Bet: 20 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Greece
akimikko (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
3 supply-centers, 5 units
Egypt
GalahadIII (1939 D)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
Civil Disorders
Garagenpunk (418 D)Egypt (Spring, 6) with 4 centres.
nucleartesuji (100 D)Rome (Autumn, 2) with 7 centres.
TheRealCottonmouth (100 D)Greece (Autumn, 5) with 6 centres.
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