Finished: 09 PM Wed 11 Sep 19 UTC
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Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1907, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
05 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Was that what Italy said?
06 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Yup. In Autumn 1903
06 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: What he didn't count on was that insulting our allies is no way to win favour
06 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: "What he didn't count on was that insulting our allies is no way to win favour"

You had already leaped aboard your high horse and blamed me for your mistake.
06 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: A true diplomat to the end
06 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: I kept my word … you didn't and blamed me for that.
06 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: No offense, but will you two spare us the squabbling? It's a little tiresome, and personally I don't see the point.
06 Sep 19 UTC Spring, 1906: Happy to if he stops the lies.
07 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @France let me know how you want to proceed in Italy.
07 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Cut support at Apulia, and that’s the end of that.
07 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Actually, strike that. Support Tuscany into Rome, I will cut support.
07 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Dealer’s choice.

@Austria, do you mind support-holding Venice? I think that will cover us from anything Italy could try.
07 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @France, already done!
08 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: @France can you support hold Naples? Is it possible that Italy could delay us by retaking Naples while we seize Rome?
08 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: If Venice is not cutting Apulia's support, then he could take it unless I am supported in my defense. If he moves Rome-Naples, Apulia support, we'll take Rome but he will retake Naples.
08 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I am cutting support at Apulia, don’t worry.
08 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I'm sorry, I'm just a little confused as you just asked Austria to support hold Venice?

I recognize that ordinarily in public press games we might stay quiet about plans as to not tip off our opponents...but surely Italy is weak enough that if we simply strategize and coordinate well, he cannot stop us even if he knows our plans.
08 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Oh wait, yeah, the support hold won’t take effect if I move. Good catch. Ok, I will support Naples from the sea where it can’t be cut.
08 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I will be supporting Rome-Tuscany
08 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: I mean Tuscany-Rome
08 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Should work
09 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Huzzah. Are we ready to draw then after Italy disbands their last unit?
09 Sep 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: That's the idea, yeah.
09 Sep 19 UTC Alright, I voted draw.
09 Sep 19 UTC Lol dang I legit thought someone was going to stab me.
09 Sep 19 UTC Pleasure working with all of you
09 Sep 19 UTC I was secretly hoping someone would not vote to draw, and we'd have to figure out who while trying not to collapse into chaos
09 Sep 19 UTC Haha. That would have been interesting for sure. I was happy to go for the draw ASAP, since I don't remember the last time I have fumbled a game so hard in the beginning. Left me in a very weak position and I felt I had to be a beggar, not a chooser.
09 Sep 19 UTC Public press is a very different beast, diplomatically. I think without secret communication, it either devolves into chaos or large alliances— smaller alliances have less of an advantage because it is harder to coordinate strategic decisions without privacy. Larger alliances, meanwhile, can leverage sheer numbers so they don’t have to worry overmuch about specific strategic moves.
09 Sep 19 UTC Good to know, I appreciate the insight!
10 Sep 19 UTC Getting more and more fed up with open press tbh.
Could have gone for a stab in Spring 1903. getting 3 builds. but at that point just wanted to finish.
10 Sep 19 UTC ...You were fed up with the game and wanted to finish it by 1903?
10 Sep 19 UTC A stab is most effective when the victim has no warning (your units are adjacent to the desired SC), and unable to respond (either because of other pressures or a lack of material. A stab in 1903 would have been telegraphed from the builds alone— one of the disadvantages to england’s isolation, which otherwise inures to its benefit.
10 Sep 19 UTC my bad. i meant 1904. You forgot to build and germany had messed up too.
North-Bel Irish-Ec Lon-North Swe-Ska Fin-Swe. would have resulted in Den/Bel/Hol in autumn.
But did not trust i would find a meaningful ally besides Russia.
10 Sep 19 UTC i mean italy. Russia felt like a massive wildcard.
11 Sep 19 UTC The most unpleasant game that I have ever played. As I said before I would have walked away were its not for delaying the game for most of you.
11 Sep 19 UTC understandable. Public messaging fosters this imho.
11 Sep 19 UTC again my apologies.
11 Sep 19 UTC "Public messaging fosters this imho."

First time I have encountered it with any kind of press.
11 Sep 19 UTC Guess my experience differs. I have encountered all sorts of nastiness from folks online playing diplomacy. If memory serves me correctly, I've been in several games that make this look tame.

I know you'll probably check my account and see I've only played 7 games, well this is my 2nd account since I couldn't remember the first account I used to play this game years ago.
11 Sep 19 UTC Not to sound trite, but if I were to blame anything, I would blame the nature of communicating over the internet...
11 Sep 19 UTC But beyond that emotions often run high playing diplomacy - it's all par for the course in my eyes
11 Sep 19 UTC France's pompous tone got on my wick, and I wasn't as polite as I should be, but his refusal to accept responsibility after he messed up the moves he insisted on was the final straw.
11 Sep 19 UTC I did what I said I was going to do. You apparently had a different understanding as to what the terms of my proposed agreement had been.
11 Sep 19 UTC I'm not keen to re-litigate the issue, though.
11 Sep 19 UTC Wait a second, you're telling me that you thought someone was acting like an asshole? In Diplomacy? /s
11 Sep 19 UTC For what it's worth, from my point of view, BOTH France's interpretation of events AND Italy's interpretation of events could be valid.
11 Sep 19 UTC And as such any disagreement stemmed from there being some ambiguity in the original terms.
11 Sep 19 UTC (but also don't necessarily want to reopen the argument here!)
12 Sep 19 UTC Ambiguity, yes. As I said much earlier, recognising that at the time was the right response. Insisting on the opposite is what got to me.

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