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Finished: 10 AM Tue 30 Jul 19 UTC
Private French squad what uppppp
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1908, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Unranked, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
20 Jul 19 UTC Spring, 1906: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
28 Jul 19 UTC Autumn, 1907: Moderator: (Durga): The game is pretty much over. If we ready up this builds then we can all draw or get it force drawn.
28 Jul 19 UTC what a game. gg friends
28 Jul 19 UTC thanks for playing!!
28 Jul 19 UTC Gg all!
28 Jul 19 UTC GG all. Went for top of the board in 06. Didn't quite work out, but I'll settle for a tie at the top. The stray fleet was mainly to keep Italy from picking off any French centers.
28 Jul 19 UTC Lol I would have understood why England went for Rome if I remembered this game was supposed to draw
28 Jul 19 UTC Whoops we cross posted. But yes that fleet was a pain
28 Jul 19 UTC I thought I may make it all the way to Smy, but got bounced :(
28 Jul 19 UTC these games are short... marseilles is going to be stressful
28 Jul 19 UTC God bless.
This format is a nightmare for Russia lol. teccles literally saved my life through no effort of my own.
28 Jul 19 UTC My plan all along was to go back towards Germany at the end. I felt like they were a much easier target to pick up a few centers near the end.

I would expect the last couple years to be pretty chaotic.
28 Jul 19 UTC In a game like this
28 Jul 19 UTC I wasted so much time hitting Marseilles lol. I really should have done something better with that unit.
28 Jul 19 UTC I forgot Carl was in here... Hi Carl
28 Jul 19 UTC Yea definitely. Feels like everyone is incentivized to demolish Russia since it's so hard to defend, and then the lot of you start playing chess over who gets the last couple of Russian centers.
28 Jul 19 UTC Oh and why wasn't this game titled "help Durga get better at gunboat?" I've noticed that's what they're usually called
28 Jul 19 UTC Yea not my best showing lol. You got me good this time Matt
28 Jul 19 UTC This was help Durga prepare for Marseilles
28 Jul 19 UTC Russia is tough in a normal gunboat. This format definitely amplified the problem
28 Jul 19 UTC I figured that out the second after I asked that
28 Jul 19 UTC Anyway France did really well under the EG
28 Jul 19 UTC EGI
28 Jul 19 UTC What should I have done with Piedmont?
28 Jul 19 UTC Instead of wasting it like that
28 Jul 19 UTC I was actually wanting to form an E/F and roll up Germany, Scandinavia, StP... France did not comply. I thought my opening would sway France, but no dice.
28 Jul 19 UTC I don't know that it was *wasted*

It's usually best to keep an army around the area, just in case Austria runs out of targets.
28 Jul 19 UTC Not a fun game for me. I am used to play 1907 games and I was surprised by how things turned out. Almost everyone was playing as if the game was without limit. Germany in particular. Builidng 2 armies in 1901 is basically giving the game to England. If England stabs before (like 1904) or better (like going for DEN instead of BEL), England tops the board easily. Italy also played as if he did not know the game was finishing in 1907. Russia is usually doing ok in short games because it is all about balance of power. Russia is playing on two sided of the board so it is usually the best tool to put slow down the other part of the board indirectly. For instance, in 1907 game, taking STP with a fleet is usually best. You get your center and you tell Russia that you wont go further (you won't have time anyway) but with no pressure form the north, he can defend the south. Anyway always interesting to defend with France. If England stabs Germany a year earlier, I could have chances to top this board; but it was too late for me to do anything.
28 Jul 19 UTC You should have jumped on the England train early. I had no desire to go your direction.
28 Jul 19 UTC Italy kind of forgot the game would end in 07
28 Jul 19 UTC Good to see you again woland!
28 Jul 19 UTC By the way, for those interested, the scoring system in Marseille is Super Pastis.

Here is the Table of results
8 10 24 16 50
8 10 24 16 50
7 10 6 14 30
6 10 3 12 25
5 10 1.5 10 21,5
1 10 2 12
0 5 0 5

The first column is the number of centers. The points start in the second column.
You get 10 points if you survive the game (or the number of years survived otherwise) + the number of centers *2 + some bonus. Here the top two shared a 48 point bonus. Italy got 6 points (12 points for being 1 center away divided by 2 the number of shared winners). Germany and france got3 points bonus ( 6 for being 2 centers away divided by two) etc.
The lat column is the total points. So A and E = 50 pts, I 30, F 25, G 21,5, R 12, T5.

The system is called a wave system. You want to top the board alone and get if possible a break with the followers. Followers want to reduce the distance (to stay within the wave) where you get some bonus points and reduce the bonus of the winner.

http://www.world-diplomacy-database.com/php/scoring/scoring_class.php?id_scoring=1

A very good result is 80 points (top board alone with a break of 3 centers)
A top board with one center difference is 70 points.
A shared top is around 50.
Surviving can give a reasonable amount of points.
28 Jul 19 UTC My read was that England tried to attack me as soon as he saw the German builds. I opened anti German and made very neutral builds (with a waive). In a 1907 game, building F Marseille is almost always a mistake and F BRE is not considered anti England. But clearly, that was a mistake to assume that players not used to this type of game would read it that way.
28 Jul 19 UTC Thanks so much for the run down woland!
28 Jul 19 UTC I felt super stuck mid game... Any words of advice from anyone would be great.
28 Jul 19 UTC Durga: You have 7 SC in 1902. Plan for the endgame already. Go for VEN in 1903 or in 1904. Italy is getting most of Turkey so SEV is the only dot you will get. Indeed in 5 more years you got one dot while you could get a dot right there.

You take VEN and you should get the rest of Italy plus maybe one Turkish center.

On top of that, you remove some pressure on France and Russia who will slow down your main competition : England.

You played the alliance for too long while he gave you an opening for a winning stab. Americans complain that Europeans are stabbers, it is true that given opportunities like that, any player would take them. England would stab Germany in 1904 and Austria would stab Italy in 1903 or 1904.
28 Jul 19 UTC I would have never agreed to a French fleet EC even in a year constrained press game. It's called the English Channel. My channel
28 Jul 19 UTC Gives France way to much power IMO
29 Jul 19 UTC yeah you're probably right about that. i thought about stabbing but i'm very stab averse. i'll need to try to change that in france.
29 Jul 19 UTC Goodness. Austria should have stabbed Italy in 1903, unquestionably. And absent that, Italy should have stabbed Austria in 1905. There were a lot of red dots left and only one yellow one for Italy at that point. And I would have helped.

Russia, all you had to do was let me have the Black Sea in F01; then you get a build and we can hold the AI off. My opening of Smy-Ank was meant to signal friendliness. If I’d wanted to attack you I would have opened to Arm.
29 Jul 19 UTC I didn't know how to take it. I thought it was a misorder at first, I realized it was deliberate the second time, but by then you'd bounced me in Romania anyway so I didn't know what else to think.
Can you walk me through what I was supposed to think you were trying to do? I get that you would have gone to Armenia if you were attacking me, so per se you weren't. But what does going to Ankara signal that a hold doesn't? (I'd have been more inclined to read a hold the way you wanted, because "Ankara" is an easy misorder for "Armenia" in a way "hold" is not.) Why not go to Constantinople?
I am looking for ways to play Turkey that aren't so-stock-it-bores-me-to-tears Bul/Con/BLK so please teach me.
29 Jul 19 UTC Smy-Ank and Smy H are more or less equivalent in S01 gunboat, since Sev-BLA is so likely. Had it occurred to me that Smy-Ank might be viewed as a misorder, I would have held. So, my bad on that. I suppose I just felt like doing something with it. I like either better than Smy-Con because you have more strategic options in the fall.

Repeating the order in F01 was risky, since it would guarantee EAS for Italy in S02 if it didn't work, but I hoped that might prompt Austria to stab (since it meant Italy would likely get all of my centers if the AI stayed together).

It seems clear to me that Austria should have stabbed Italy in 1903. It was a chance to debilitate the other potential major power in the East, a balance-of-power move on the rest of the theater. But this works best if IRT can't coordinate well, obviously true in gunboat. Is the stab still a good idea in FtF or full press? Austria would become a target, but maybe it's worth the risk, given the scoring system.
01 Aug 19 UTC Thanks everyone for a good game, and interesting post match analysis; I've never played 1907 before, and found it quite hard to think about how it changes the early game.

I agree with woland about my 1901 builds; an army-heavy Germany in EG is bound to get stabbed at the end. However, my other options seemed likely to lead to an EF alliance, and things going rather worse. I was hoping to make a bit more progress than we did in France, which can also get England into a slightly less dangerous position for me. France defended very well.
01 Aug 19 UTC I think maddotter is looking for another game if people want to join him. I can't play but I'm happy to organize.
02 Aug 19 UTC I’m up for another one if anyone else is. I could probably find a replacement for Durga
02 Aug 19 UTC I'm trying to cut back... Working on polishing my press.
02 Aug 19 UTC Until early september, I will be pretty busy so I'd rather not commit to additional games. Reading Turkish comments, I cannot really understand why he bounced Russia in Rum in Autumn 1901.
02 Aug 19 UTC To punish Russia if he didn’t let me have BLA. I hoped that either I would be in BLA and be able to hold Austria back, or that Austria would get a quick jump on Russia and that would help break up the AI (Which definitely did not happen). It may have been a miscalculation but I figured in gunboat Turkey is dead without being in BLA.

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England
Matticus13 (2824 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Austria
Durga (3609 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
France
woland (134 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Italy
Aurelin (90 D Mod)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Germany
teccles (1758 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Russia
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Turkey
maddotter (834 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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