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Finished: 08 AM Thu 27 Jun 19 UTC
Private Help Durga get better at gunboat-7
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1914, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Unranked, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
10 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
23 May 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
03 Jun 19 UTC Autumn, 1908: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
06 Jun 19 UTC Spring, 1909: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
25 Jun 19 UTC This probably should have been a 3-way draw but it wasn't worth the time to cut A/I out of it
25 Jun 19 UTC ggs to all on the set
25 Jun 19 UTC Yes, i did not expect to be in the draw
25 Jun 19 UTC I think Turkey was angling for a solo, I can’t see a reason why Austria lived otherwise
25 Jun 19 UTC I am not a draw player, so I am not really in the cut the size of the draw business unless the scoring system makes me do it.
And here, finishing off Austria and Italy would delay my moves to the stalemate line to help France defend. With anonymity, I don't know who is who and and a mistake could lead to a German solo. And I don't think I can ever take POR. All the other centers, yes but not Portugal. So playing for a solo was not really doable, I think. As for Austria, we had a goof fight for many years, so he deserves to live.
25 Jun 19 UTC But with the German moves, maybe I could have hoped for more.
25 Jun 19 UTC Durga really got hammered in these 3 games. Very bad luck.
25 Jun 19 UTC She really rolled snake eyes with her countries. Austria and England are difficult and Russia is a nightmare IMO.

During my last disbands phase, when I saw you protecting Austria and France pressing the offensive in Liverpool, I got the worst flashbacks to your solo game lol. I think it would have been difficult but I halfway expected France to leave Iberia wide open.
25 Jun 19 UTC I hesitated a lot in the spring when I could take both Italian centers with Vienna in reserve, but that would have delayed a lot my moves west towards PIE, NAF and GOL. And I never thought I could get to POR. With hindisght, I should have gone for it. But I was afraid that France would lose some guessing games and I would be out of position to help him defend.
25 Jun 19 UTC I think I blew it when it came time to attack France. My effort against France was not good.

He built a fleet in Brest during Winter 1908 when he already had what I thought was the maximum number of efficient fleets in the Mediterranean. I figured he probably wasn't going to attack me, but I needed to shuffle my Norwegian fleet anyway so my army could go to Norway and let me take the last Russian centers, so I thought I could do that while protecting London 'for free.' I legitimately wasn't intending to attack him yet--I was going to do it in 1910, after his fleet hit the Mediterranean but before he got builds from Italian centers. And I was hoping the move to North Sea wouldn't provoke him if I didn't move any other fleets around, and if I put an army in Norway to show that I really did need to move that fleet somewhere.

When he went to Mid-Atlantic Ocean I thought I had it--he would move to the Mediterranean, I would shuffle my fleets and breach Belgium and Burgundy, and he'd have to make a lot of good guesses to win.

But my fleet move to North Sea worried him just enough to move to English Channel, and my actions in Autumn 1909 gave up the ghost completely. I'll bet he wasn't even intending to start the fight, just worried that I might go for the Channel myself to start it myself. Would love to hear from you on this exchange France, I can see why you might do everything you did but I'm wondering what the situation looked like to you.
25 Jun 19 UTC i haven't done this bad in a series of gunboats ever.
25 Jun 19 UTC I straight up screwed you over without provocation. Not your fault lol. Saw the opportunity to take North Sea and convoy to Edinburgh and couldn't pass it up. I got lucky that France didn't murk me like what happened in the other drawn game.
25 Jun 19 UTC It was a pretty long and painful game for me, but I'm glad to have come out on the other side. I don't exactly remember why I built F Mar in 1901; in retrospect, that's probably what mired me in that horrible long war against Italy, but I'm not sure it was better for him than being the deciding factor in the east. I didn't want to get stuck in Burgundy/Ruhr against Germany, but my fleets made me enemies on both sides and some excellent opportunistic play from Germany meant he got the gains from England's demise. Maybe I would have tried to punish him like the other game as he said, but I thought Italy was keeping me just too busy, so that was a good read. From there, being stuck at 6 centers for what felt like an eternity, I just wanted to keep Italian fleets far enough away that Germany wouldn't be tempted to stab, but neither Austria nor Turkey made enough progress to distract Italy. I finally committed that decisive third fleet south to snag Tunis when I was sure that Russia and Germany's war would drag out for another few years, but as soon as Germany built another fleet in W1908, I knew that my position against him was untenable long term and I had to disentangle fleets from the Mediterranean asap since his navy wouldn't sit idly in Scandinavia forever. The move to MAO was a bit of fence-sitting, leaving the door open to continue peace while (in my mind, doubt it was really clear) expressing some concern with the Ruhr bounce, but allowing a preemptive move on Liverpool that would have set me up nicely to hang on for quite a while. However, the very understandable move to the North Sea accelerated the fight since I couldn't just wait around to be stabbed (I had figured that fleet might be in Barents maybe). The plan from there was to make annoying moves to stall and drop back to Iberia when the time was right, giving Turkish fleets time to come in support. I think I was in control of the situation even before what I'm guessing was a misorder to Yorkshire instead of Liverpool in the last phase, and I didn't consider a Turkish solo plausible, but I guess it's good that that possibility worried Germany enough to be considered in his draw calculations! (Definitely understandable in gunboat though.)

I felt like I played cautiously all game, but I also felt it was forced by the circumstances at any given point. Germany's position was so strong so quickly, and Italy so single-minded in his focus, that I always had to look over my shoulder. Would love to hear if you guys thought otherwise.

Germany, I think you were really quite close but encountered just the right resistance at just the right time. Unfortunately for you my read (which I think was correct) was that war between us was inevitable eventually, especially after your fleet build and North Sea move. I knew that if I were you, I would be looking for an overcommitment against Italy and an opportunity to stab. Maybe another army would have made me think you really wanted to finish off Russia first, but even then I'd have strongly considered stabbing you to shift the momentum. Not sure there was a ton you could have done differently, but a bit more luck and things going your way in the south would have put you in a very good position to solo.
25 Jun 19 UTC I left Edinburgh on purpose to signal that I was done trying to solo and ready to cut A/I out and draw (I supported Turkey into Bohemia at some point around that time to try to signal him to kill off Austria). I frankly forgot about the possibility of disbanding if you took Liverpool and I didn't take Edinburgh lol.

I definitely built that W08 fleet with you in the back-center of my mind, but I thought Russia might have kept his Baltic fleet and knew I'd need to clear it out. Still, the move to North Sea was dicey, and I was definitely hoping to springboard it into a full attack on the Atlantic, and in tandem with a fleet build that would quickly be irrelevant (and as it turned out immediately so) against anyone but you, I can see why your instincts were piqued. Definitely the right moves and reads on the situation. Good stuff.
25 Jun 19 UTC You've already talked about the Marseilles build; that's the only thing I would be willing to call a mistake. You clearly (imo anyway) signaled you were down to fight England when you tried to put me in Belgium, and I was open to taking out England together. I think if you don't spook Italy with building in Marseilles then you probably have the inside lane against England, and I'm not sure how I respond. My opening sequence was thrown off by Russia's opening sequence, which I can't say I understand even after the fact, though for how grim things looked after 1902 I gotta give him some credit for making it as long as he did.

Once we accept that you were locked into that long war with Italy, I think your play was fine and don't have real criticisms. Your instincts were spot on and you thwarted my solo effort pretty well.
26 Jun 19 UTC I ended up caught up in a full scale war with Turkey that took up both our efforts for the early and mid game. It was only possible because of Italy moving West and Russia moving North.

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Germany
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
Turkey
woland (134 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
France
diplomat554 (2104 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 5 units
Italy
tobieee911 (102 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
Austria
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
England
Durga (3609 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
SpaceDip (773 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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