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Finished: 03 PM Tue 08 Jan 19 UTC
Quick Gunboat-34
5 minutes /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Claesar (4422 D Mod)
07 Jan 19 UTC Spring, 1901: Moderator: (Claesar): Friendly reminder: Even though you can see the usernames of the other players, sending PMs is not allowed. Moderators can see ;-)
07 Jan 19 UTC Lame, but I'll take it.
07 Jan 19 UTC I'd say gg but *shrugs*
the game was near solo when original france butchered an obvious and easy stalemate line down south, and then it was a free win after the additional nmr
unfortunate
07 Jan 19 UTC Well played
07 Jan 19 UTC This should never have been a solo, until Lambda failed to defend. Discounting the other errors..
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07 Jan 19 UTC I guess if I knew a 2000 or so rated player (I think?) was THAT bad on defense, I'd have kept attacking him after his original NMR
oh well i guess lol
07 Jan 19 UTC gg everyone, tried my best to salvage that. @england I supported ENG-MAO earlier when you decided to shift units around instead
07 Jan 19 UTC you mean it should be 100% stalemate?
07 Jan 19 UTC Yes, I had no way to break through until old France let me destroy his fleets.
07 Jan 19 UTC minor apologies to Germany for fighting up north, but I figured it was potentially vital to my survival, also I figured that overall shape of the board was gonna be EFT if I took and held through STP (EFGT also possible), and France could maybe get something done down south
still kind of blown away by original France's borderline insane moves for a few turns :(
07 Jan 19 UTC i also dont know why italy kept trying to go in tyrolia
07 Jan 19 UTC France mutual supporting holds on SPA-MAR was dumb, France using GOL to support hold PIE was ridiculous, and France going NAF-MAO on that turn was mainly random and almost entirely unpredictable given his record
07 Jan 19 UTC yea i was kind of surprised with your attacking me with russia, italy and austria falling over like that
07 Jan 19 UTC Italy was i think trying to throw the solo to turkey as a 1-2 center power who was gonna get whittled
Germany, i think you overallp layed fine except your Warsaw-Silesia move on the turn Turkey retreated there was pretty ???????
07 Jan 19 UTC Yeah i misplayed that, i thought it was lost from that moment, didnt foresee he could retreat there
07 Jan 19 UTC I saw that France was vital to the defense against Turkey, but neither you (nor I!) was particularly vital, so it was in my interest to at the very least shore up my powers up north, and then if I needed to support you to hold in MOS-WAR I could do so, while ensuring I wouldn't get whittled myself due to losing scandinavia
07 Jan 19 UTC Warsaw-Silesia was an obvious error. Moscow was ordered to hold Warsaw that turn, so it was a misorder. Prreventing a retreat to Silesia, but allowing worse due to a miscalculation. It happens.
07 Jan 19 UTC yeah misorders are part of the game. I'd slapped down "Liv supports STP" instead of "Liv supports Mos" a copule times, even at least once when I'd finalized! :lol:
(fortunately i saw and unfinalized in time)
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07 Jan 19 UTC I messed up a lot, as this was my first ever gunboat and something like my 6th ever game. I originally tried to ally Austria against Turkey, but I was too timid, securing a build in Tunis instead of blocking Turkey in Greece. I then thought I saw a juggernaut and tried to flee west in the hopes of scoring undefended French centers. I then turned around again when France started to defend himself in the hopes of holding back turkey, but by then it was of course too late. I was wishy washy, and somewhat of a poor player. Sorry about that.
07 Jan 19 UTC Fwiw
If you run away from an expanding power instead of fighting then, you just ensure their victory. I’d say that’s PARTICULARLY true when dealing with turkey as Italy; if you stop him you might get French help or at least benign neglect, while if you go after France or Germany you’re just helping him to the solo.
07 Jan 19 UTC Thank you for the tip. You're right. I'll try to remember that next time
08 Jan 19 UTC I'd welcome any more advice
08 Jan 19 UTC I'm actually not as strongly against a desperate move on France in such a position. I recently successfully did one here in 1910: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=230755

It needs to be done at exactly the right time though, and with the right units. Here, you had no chance as you were out of position and the army in North Africa doesn't do anything. You need at least two fleets.
08 Jan 19 UTC Other than that you didn't have much of a chance here. I grew too fast at the start and decided to focus on you.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Turkey
Claesar (4422 D Mod)
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 35 D
20 supply-centers, 17 units
England
mhsmith0 (956 D)
Survived. Bet: 0 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
France
Survived. Bet: 0 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
Germany
chlue (117 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
1 supply-centers, 3 units
Italy
Survived. Bet: 5 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
Russia
fukayu (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Austria
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
lambda (2440 D)France (Autumn, 1910) with 5 centres.
Nathyouss (100 D)England (Autumn, 1903) with 5 centres.
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