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Finished: 06 AM Thu 11 Oct 18 UTC
American warfare-2
12 hours /phase
Pot: 50 D - Autumn, 2010, Finished
Fall of the American Empire IV, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: Why all of the draw votes though?I can never quite understand why nobody has the gumption to go for glory anymore. Too many draws (which if you look at my profile, you'll see I've been involved in my fair share of).
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: Yea I agree with that statement, I'll always push for a solo if I can, people always get annoyed but to me it's what the game is. I don't think it's an anymore thing though, I think it's always been this way
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: That said when I'm losing ofc I'll take the draw
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: Really did me like that bois :(
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: ?
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: Well, I can only speak for myself, but I put it in thinking that we could just 3WD with Texas being gone.

Long term, 3WD makes decent sense - no one is in the best position to solo other than Heartlands, especially me with the lower SC total. Peru has done a solidly shit job at making me feel comfortable, which will allow you to position in to take an SC at some point. Likely the stab is coming again shortly from you, and thus you'll go for it.
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: So I pose this to Peru - if you want any shot at drawing, you need to back the fuck off me and get out of my backyard. Your moves, which have all been aggressively foolish, on the West Coast will weaken my eastern side and thus I get rolled by Heartlands and he wins.
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: 4 WD would never make sense, but I don't think it would be ridiculous for heartland to try for the solo, it would make the game a bit more interesting, yes you'd most likely draw but why not go for it? Gl guys
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: Mind you is it 24 or 34 for American? Cos 34 might be a bit much
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: It's up to him if he wants it. When Texas was gone, meaning waiting for a player, you could've drawed it and it would be a 3WD.

I am openly saying this now because Peru hasn't figured it out yet via our PMs - he is forcing me to weaken my east and I can't long term compete with Heartlands. I will fall and he will solo.
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: It's 34 I believe
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: From my experience, FotAE is a 3WD most often due to the high SC count and the ability for two people to slow down a solo attempt.
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: Come on Peru, stand ur ground :)
08 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: It's very like that I stalemate and end up drawing with Peru / BC. And as things stand, I am cool with BC, so I am hoping that doesn't change for the remainder of the game.

I'd be a bit more hard pressed to say I am friendly with Peru, though, given my repeated attempts to snag his SC's in the East.
09 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: BC, your an idiot. Why should Peru back off of you at all?

All you've done all game is be Heartland's #1 ally and help him with all of his conquests. Let's remember that you attacked Peru as well, sure, maybe moving to NPO wasn't so considerate to you, but he had 1 fleet in the Pacific anywhere near you! He wasn't a threat and you completely overreacted and took out his unit and started a war with him.

Ever heard of something called Diplomacy; you know, privately corresponding to Peru that you were uncomfortable with Peru's unit in the NPO? Who knows, maybe you did attempt the Diplomacy tact with Peru. But you were an idiot to start something with Peru.

Yes a future war between your two nations was inevitable; but it was 5-10 years in the future! All you had to do was gang up on Heartland with Florida & New York or even go solo and try for Texas. You had the jugular to take out Heartland with your fleets and you would of dominated the West Coast of Texas and at least held up army wise against him until someone could join in with you.

But no, you went for Peru, who it would be an effective stalemate against and let alone the only SC you would be able to get within 5-10 years was Hawaii. While setting yourself up for an easy backstab from Heartland; where you are now.

You dug yourself into this hole BC. Peru is an experienced player and once you've PROVEN that you're willing to go all in with stopping Heartland's solo he will mobilize all of his units to stopping Heartland.

But right now, you've drawn a third of his units to forcing a stalemate position against you, while he has to split another third of his units to eliminating Texas, and the other third towards fighting Heartland.

Peru is well aware of the Heartland threat, but you're not making it easy for him to focus on an enemy who needs 12 SCs to solo. All you've done all game is prove to be Heartland's loyal follower and until you prove that you are willing to go all-in in stopping the Heartland solo he will continue to protect himself from your fleets.

Besides, Peru knows that if Heartland were to stab you right now, he would only be able to grab about 6/12 SCs needed for a solo before you re-mobilized to establish a stalemate line against him. He can get away with establishing a stalemate line in the Pacific against Heartland's loyal follower knowing that he has enough Fleets in the Carribean to stop Heartland and stalemate you in the Pacific at the same time.

If you help Heartland to a solo than there's nothing he could of done but delay it. But if Heartland stabs you and you mobilize to stop him there is a comfy cushion of SC gap to prevent Heartland from soloing and BC would have to really butcher his end of things to allow Heartland to solo.
09 Oct 18 UTC Autumn, 2009: There he is! The utter baby that is ChippeRock. Always jumping on other people for how they choose to play this game. Pretty typical. :)
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: Cool it, that seems a bit over the top,Neve seen someone rant for 9 full paragraphs before
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: Also, surely help out the Texan in straits of flo
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: He is just mad he sucks at Mafia ;P
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: All seriousness though, I conceded my failure to Peru. The diplomacy Chippe is unaware of did exist. Also, yes long term I made a pact with Heartlands and thus we are where we are. Texas NMR’ed and I struck along with others.

If you want to call Peru experienced, I don’t disagree. But he also could have just sat away from NPO and been fine.
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: Now his ‘1/3’ wasted at me if his own fault.
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: Kinda arrogant, Peru isn't going to bend over backwards for you. Show Peru you are fully committed to stopping Heartland solo and he'll ally with you; it's that simple.

Being good at Diplomacy doesn't make you good at Mafia and being good at Mafia doesn't make you good at Diplomacy.
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: There is a skill crossover between the two tho?
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: Not really... A broad skill crossover but nothing specific.
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: This is the problem with Peru - he NMR’s often enough
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: Wait wtf how can u nmr at this stage?
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: Because he isn’t as good as Chippe says? Also, 12 hour phases can start to become difficult for some
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: Nguyen is also in like 40 games at any given time. Probably overstretched.
09 Oct 18 UTC Spring, 2010: Oh ahaha I wonder why I'd missed a phase I missed the 12hrs
10 Oct 18 UTC Haha. Sorry friend for miss some turn.
10 Oct 18 UTC Last some day i have some urgent thing in the real live and can not follow up the game. Sorry for the inconvenience. I will try to avoid it.
10 Oct 18 UTC Lol u drawing or wut
10 Oct 18 UTC We can just draw. Unfair of me to advance and 34 is unrealistic at this point. Congrats Texas on your inclusion :D
10 Oct 18 UTC So sorry friend. You guys plays the game so far so good.
10 Oct 18 UTC Morons drew with Texas... Lol.
11 Oct 18 UTC Wait hahahaha thx guys
11 Oct 18 UTC Chippe wtf?
11 Oct 18 UTC ?
11 Oct 18 UTC Ur not in the game, u don't make the call.
11 Oct 18 UTC Chippe is saltier than the Dead Sea.
11 Oct 18 UTC ? Salty? You made an idiotic draw...
11 Oct 18 UTC I drew because Peru kept NMR'ing. Am I going to take a victory that I didn't earn? No. I'm sorry that my integrity offends you, Chip.
11 Oct 18 UTC Hhuhu. So sorry every one. So sorry friend.
11 Oct 18 UTC Respect Heartlands, that is a good way to play :)
11 Oct 18 UTC Do whatever you want. I would have soloed if given the opportunity.

But you drew with Texas for gods sake!!
11 Oct 18 UTC You would have soloed because you have no regard for the integrity of the game.
Congrats, you beat a player that wasn't even playing. You're amazing!
12 Oct 18 UTC WTF?!? You drew like an idiot with Texas!!!

Why are you salty and so defensive???
12 Oct 18 UTC I mean, you started it Chippe...
12 Oct 18 UTC He’ll go on with this as long as we respond...
13 Oct 18 UTC And you'll go on with this as long as I respond...

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DaButterMan (564 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 13 D
22 supply-centers, 22 units
nguyenmt (5419 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 13 D
19 supply-centers, 19 units
worcej (1201 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 13 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
SkiingCougar (898 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 13 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
ChippeRock (2564 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
JimmyYee (109 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
zaaaaak (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
ZergSlayer (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
10195097 (30 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
zaaaaak (100 D)California (Autumn, 2003) with 0 centres.
Morgenstern (100 D)Peru (Autumn, 2000) with 5 centres.
DieBombe (100 D)Texas (Autumn, 2008) with 7 centres.
TorenD (0 D X)Florida (Autumn, 2004) with 8 centres.
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